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[Aregon]

Alright, it has taken me over 2 years to just put my pride aside long enough to ask for help. Most of you probably look at my posts as mostly lack-luster or simply bad, which I agree on. However now I would like some time of your day, if you can deposit some that is.

Before we begin I just want to warn people here. I got an extreme low tolerance for my own failures and dislike losing in any shape or form in any kind of situation. I will try to blame other or objects for what are my own problems most likely. I will actively try to defend my views even if they are about how bad I am and why I am bad. I am way too prideful for my own good and I don't like asking for help, at least when I know in theory I can fix the problem myself. I am not able to look at anything including me with gameplay or such, because the incompetence I feel when I see his I play after having been here over 2 years, disgust me. I swear a whole lot and in general just am bad-mouthed.

Now why would I ask for help after all this time? Because I'm lonely.

I want to be able to play a game with friends without feeling I feed and do not deliver a slight form of challenge at all. I want to be able to play a game most of my friends play and enjoy the game, and not get bloody tourettes when I die to the same person again, and again, and again.

I am generally not easy to learn things since if I got to practice it I most likely skip it because in other settings I have never really ever had to practice much for doing above the average. I take long time to realise problems and find an easy practical solution, however I may have a solution that maybe isn't the most efficient. I like to show what I can, but will feel bad when I must showcase things I know I am bad at.

This was written on mobile and I'll probably regret this tomorrow, but I felt that if I want to enjoy a game with friends, I gotta try and grab myself by the balls for once. I am do bad reading long walls of text since I fall out instantly almost, and I generally got problem learning if only shown the theory. Also because certain dislikes towards the community I may simply have problem with people in general, however I can generalise more than I wish I did. There is a very vocal minority I dislike, but from past grudges I may let that go out on people even when they try to be helpful.

I should also learn to shut up.

 

 

 

Progress

 

Day 1

So what have we done today: 

• Focused training on aim, felt it went alright and much better since I was calmer.
• Practised going in with TOW instead of POW (secondary first).
• Tried to keep in mind to not boost from corners I suspected enemies around, however forgot this a little.
• Had close duels with Neon, at least felt so.
• Did not leave after one bad match.
• Had rounds where I died I either didn`t die or only once/twice.

 

Bad things:

• Yet to record.
• Still only Assault.
• Reaction time and general quickness is way too slow.
• Not aggressive enough, not efficient enough to go killy on the opponent.

 

Overall, could have been a lot worse.

Edited by Sir Aregon, 13 October 2015 - 09:47 AM.

[-Tj-]

Just looking for a little clarification, are you looking for gameplay advice, like to improve your performance in-game? Little confused as to what you're ultimately asking for (serious question, not trying to be snarky or anything).

[Aregon]

Just looking for a little clarification, are you looking for gameplay advice, like to improve your performance in-game? Little confused as to what you're ultimately asking for (serious question, not trying to be snarky or anything).

Yes it's game advice and that, I just felt for explaining maybe why I didn't ask before and that I am not an easy learner.

It's also :40 here and I should be up in 6 hours but now we're here.

[Amidatelion]

This sounds familiar.

 

 

Watch that now and then again when you wake up. We'll talk afterwards.

[Pleasure_Mortar]

I can relate to some of the things you said quite well.

Had some really sucky time in the past as well  where I'd go ballistic if something did work out the way I wanted it to be and alienated a lot of people.

I was notorious for my rants. I was really cought up in perfectionism.

 

Even today I still absolutely hate it when I have to pretend I'm good at something and I know I'm not. I grew up in a family where keeping up appearances was everything.

 

I don't know your MMR but there's some really good advide in the skillwall thread. HTH

[SatelliteJack]

...it's game advice...

So, like, a game recommendation, or tips and tricks on an existing game? Should I be telling you to try Team Fortress 2, or telling you that the Aor 180 is the most powerful internal in the game thanks to the new "feature" nepa found?

[Aregon]

So, like, a game recommendation, or tips and tricks on an existing game? Should I be telling you to try Team Fortress 2, or telling you that the Aor 180 is the most powerful internal in the game thanks to the new "feature" nepa found?

Hawken in general.

And recommending games for me is pretty bollocks as I am cheap and I'm currently waiting on Eternal Crusade, which sounds and looks very promising from what I've heard and read. Can be a great possibility to let mainstream media get to experience the silliness that is the grim darkness of the far future. /offtopic

[6ixxer]

I think that many of us get into a mood (some more often than others) where we get fired up an make more mistakes.

 

As much as learning what actual mistake got you killed, I think we need to look for ways to identify when they are all just a symptom of being aggravated to the detriment of performance/awareness.

 

Some high level players try to create this in their opponents. If we can see it happening then we can take a breath, change our play style and get back to helping the team instead of feeding.

 

Cheers,

6ixxer

Ragers Anon (junior member)

[Shoutaxeror]

Hey! We were in the same game tonight. Unless you have some other accounts, it was the first time I saw you in public match, for what I can recall. But hey, I will gladly fight with/against you anytime we can! We can also do some stuff in fightclub or stuff like that.

But hey keep it up.

[Nept]

 

Before we begin I just want to warn people here. I got an extreme low tolerance for my own failures and dislike losing in any shape or form in any kind of situation. I will try to blame other or objects for what are my own problems most likely.

 

It's the highlighted section that presents the biggest barrier to improvement.  First person you should blame for failures - especially if we're talking about video game skills - is yourself.  Not in an emo/I'm-so-terrible way, of course, but in a fashion that promotes self-analysis and improvement.  When you engage ego-protection mode, you preempt meaningful analysis.

 

One element that's often overlooked within Hawken's community is mechanical/mousing/aiming skill.  It's de-emphasized because we've access to remote detonation and near-omniscient radar; at high levels, though, these mechanical skills make all the difference.  Positioning and radar awareness are important, yes, but the biggest disparity between high-tier and mid-tier players (and even amongst many high-tier players) is aim.  If you can aim more quickly and more accurately than your opponent, if you can hit them regardless of their evasive movement, you'll have a massive advantage.  That's the reason that Omni emphasizes these abilities before anything else.

 

My suggestion would be to prioritize these mechanical skills before delving into positioning and "tactical" details.  And one of the best ways to practice is to grab a partner and have them dodge around as you strike them.  Don't worry about dueling just yet.  Instead, focus on striking your target as often and as accurately as possible.  As your mechanical skills improve, you'll notice a) that the game feels less hectic, and b) that new shooting opportunities arise during normal engagements.

 

Looks like this:

[PsychedelicGrass]

Add me ingame if you haven't already, I'll be your friend I love everyone <3


I can take you in a private server for some duels and tips too :3

[Dedhed]

Similar to what Nept said, I've found that admitting my own wrongs and recognizing when I'm engaging in something that will lead to nothing other than frustration helps immensely in the attitude/emotional well being area. Literally telling yourself "It's not a big deal, it's ok" rather than actively engaging in aggravating thoughts can help tremendously.

[devotion]

post clips of yourself playing

[comic_sans]

Killing your ego is the first step toward not having it wounded by loss.  Good luck, duder.

[Dedhed]

Thanks to PsychedelicGrass for the idea, didn't occur to me--> Add me in game as well if you'd like, same name as on here.

[PsychedelicGrass]

Nobody ever actually adds/plays with me when I offer


I have no friends :c

[Nept]

Nept likes this.

[Badtings]

So, like, a game recommendation, or tips and tricks on an existing game? Should I be telling you to try Team Fortress 2, or telling you that the Aor 180 is the most powerful internal in the game thanks to the new "feature" nepa found?

What's the "new "feature""?

[JackVandal]

What's the "new "feature""?

air 180 uses no fuel, so you can float forever with spamming it

[Aregon]

Well this thread went better than expected.

Edited by Sir Aregon, 12 October 2015 - 09:04 PM.

[cbrxx]

THIS BUG.  Nepa posted.  Is worthless.  Instant in air 180 equals dead in air mech. 

[dorobo]

I say maybe try setting these different simple goals and don't thinking about the score. Let's say have a goal not to die the whole game.. even if your team looses if you achieve that you win :) Or try not to yolo dive the whole game or try to help and support other players the whole game or choose one player and follow him around the whole game and try to help him. Practice smaller aspects of the game that way.

[dorobo]

But changing your own character traits is the hardest part. Could use advice on that one myself  

[Aregon]

I can relate to some of the things you said quite well.

Had some really sucky time in the past as well  where I'd go ballistic if something did work out the way I wanted it to be and alienated a lot of people.

I was notorious for my rants. I was really cought up in perfectionism.

 

Even today I still absolutely hate it when I have to pretend I'm good at something and I know I'm not. I grew up in a family where keeping up appearances was everything.

 

I don't know your MMR but there's some really good advide in the skillwall thread. HTH

While I like most of what stands in that thread, I got problems with simply being told how to do things instead of not shown. Ironic since as a person I am very theoretical.

[n3onfx]

Ask your CA teamates! Since it's less laggy for me lately I'll be playing more and Disorderly plays every once in a while as well, just hit us both up when we're ingame since the whole TS and stuff is already set up and I'll help you, I'm sure Disordely will do the same. There's actually a ton of little things to learn/realize that can help anyone play better.

 

Plus you'll get to hear my sexy french accent.

[coldform]

Nobody ever actually adds/plays with me when I offer


I have no friends :c

Cmon now. You know better than that. :)

[SuupaaFly]

Work until your Idols become Rivals

[CrimsonKaim]

Make a smurf account and ask the newbs to teach you. :,D

 

Jokes aside, the best way is doing it the hard way (in my opinion). Join the uber high MMR matches, get rekt and learn by your mistakes. I also like to blame others or other things but somehow you see some enlighting moments like "Uuuuhhh, you can dodge using shift+a/d!"

 

That moment every proper Hawken palyer had when they started playing Hawken (If you haven't experienced this moment yet, I have bad news for you ... ).

 

 

One more advice is deathmatch (1v1 fightclubs). That's my favourite for learning how to play in basically any competetive mode/game. Team Death Match is for the ones who want to get carried and/or relax. Deathmatch will only put you and your opponent in an arena. Not that it shows who is the better one, but because if you lose, it is most likely your own fault (apart from bugs and the like).

 

 

To conclude:

 

- Join high MMR matches

- Play 1v1s (also try palying solo in team modes)

 

GL HF :)

[Aregon]

Make a smurf account and ask the newbs to teach you. :,D

 

Jokes aside, the best way is doing it the hard way (in my opinion). Join the uber high MMR matches, get rekt and learn by your mistakes. I also like to blame others or other things but somehow you see some enlighting moments like "Uuuuhhh, you can dodge using shift+a/d!"

 

That moment every proper Hawken palyer had when they started playing Hawken (If you haven't experienced this moment yet, I have bad news for you ... ).

 

 

One more advice is deathmatch (1v1 fightclubs). That's my favourite for learning how to play in basically any competetive mode/game. Team Death Match is for the ones who want to get carried and/or relax. Deathmatch will only put you and your opponent in an arena. Not that it shows who is the better one, but because if you lose, it is most likely your own fault (apart from bugs and the like).

 

 

To conclude:

 

- Join high MMR matches

- Play 1v1s (also try palying solo in team modes)

 

GL HF :)

We have talked about this, it got written a fan fiction about why I disagree with you. I don`t need to do it again.

[CrimsonKaim]

We have talked about this, it got written a fan fiction about why I disagree with you. I don`t need to do it again.

 

Well then remain in your low MMR matches. Not my choice. No pain no gain. 

 

Just tried to help. :)

[thedark20]

Nobody ever actually adds/plays with me when I offer


I have no friends :c

I'm up for playing when i can or feel like. Add me if you want to Steam or Hawken.



Regarding the thread topic here, i think there isn't much things to say aside from what people told you. The most important thing i think is you must have fun in order to play properly. If you don't have fun just stop playing, cool down a few minutes and come again or change games.

[Aregon]

So what have we done today: 

• Focused training on aim, felt it went alright and much better since I was calmer.
• Practised going in with TOW instead of POW (secondary first).
• Tried to keep in mind to not boost from corners I suspected enemies around, however forgot this a little.
• Had close duels with Neon, at least felt so.
• Did not leave after one bad match.
• Had rounds where I died I either didn`t die or only once/twice.

 

Bad things:

• Yet to record.
• Still only Assault.
• Reaction time and general quickness is way too slow.
• Not aggressive enough, not efficient enough to go killy on the opponent.

Edited by Sir Aregon, 13 October 2015 - 09:46 AM.

[Nept]

 

Bad things:

• Reaction time and general quickness is way too slow.

 

Those are things that will improve with practice, time, and concentration.  Reaction time is also far less affected by age than people assume.

[dorobo]

Those are things that will improve with practice, time, and concentration.  Reaction time is also far less affected by age than people assume.

 

and in hawken it's a bit less important while there is a turn rate cap. Prediction might be even more important even for hitscan weapons.

[Houruck]

- Play 1v1s (also try palying solo in team modes)

Oh hell no!

 

I can not tell when can I make it this week, but we should do some training like we used to do.

[spr1nterJam]

tl;dr

it it COOL STORY ?

[n3onfx]

tl;dr

it it COOL STORY ?

 

tl;dr

 

should should YOU CARE ?

[spr1nterJam]

should should be be in in spam spam

[CrimsonKaim]

Oh hell no!

 

I can not tell when can I make it this week, but we should do some training like we used to do.

 

Btw, didn't you want to host a fightclub some months ago? .-.

[Houruck]

Btw, didn't you want to host a fightclub some months ago? .-.

Yes, I wanted to. I even worked on some additional stuff for it but since there was almost no interest I pushed it aside.

I do not want to quote that notorious "worth the wait" gif, I am not even sure I will do it.