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He did say "We have 2 more big technology hurdles to clear" so you have a shot of some kind of anti-cheat being put into place.
 
still laughing at voice chat knowing how much it's actually used in other games*


I've seen it work well in team strategy games. Planetside 2 has ok voice. Can work well to organise big assaults full of dozens, if not hundreds of pubs. Not too many people found smak talking in voip.

Then there are games like H1Z1 where people will abuse you or run up claiming to be 'fwiendwy' only to shoot you to death when you take your eyes off them.

(both of those games developed by SoE, now Daybreak. Same system, different player attitudes. Also both full of Hackers)

I'm hoping Hawken given its team focus is more of the former. Obviously there would be a way not to use it all, but hopefully you can block invividuals. If it gets to be a real slagging pit, perhaps an option to only speak to whitelisted people? Its easy enough to ask people via typing to whitelist you for voice. Perhaps send invites like party join or invite to match.

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I am rock hard right now. Oh dear... What do I do? Oh, maybe play some Herken? No... that won't do it will only twitch more. Good dear me, this is quite the conundrum. :(



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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.



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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

 

Why are you even here?


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Why are you even here?

 

First guy who refuses to accept the truth... let me guess just bought some new camo :)



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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

Save the pessimism for the Steam Forums, mate.


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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

 

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haha a team you say... a team working on what exactly? low quality shirts that look like crap after a few washes? or how about a coin that we can hold and think about the great time we were fooled into thinking the game was headed somewhere... haha yeah go team :)


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First guy who refuses to accept the truth... let me guess just bought some new camo :)

 

I did just buy some camo in fact. I bought it with MC that I earned from a tournament a few months ago.

 

But I'm still curious. Why are you still here?


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haha a team you say... a team working on what exactly? low quality shirts that look like crap after a few washes? or how about a coin that we can hold and think about the great time we were fooled into thinking the game was headed somewhere... haha yeah go team :)

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It's not difficult to believe that a team of developers and programmers who are being paid to do a job will have something to show for it.
It is harder to believe that a college student wrote a kernel for an operating system on his i386 PC as a hobby, which combined with a completely free UNIX clone toolkit, compiler, and shell became an open source operating system that can be downloaded for free and now forms the majority of the internet backbone.

People spend money, which equates to time (the most basic commodity for all humans) on all sorts of things; food, clothing, shelter, heat, transportation, entertainment.
Why condemn a group of people for spending time on something they enjoy, assuming it is balanced and does not interfere with life's priorities?
Buying a few skins for, say, 5 bucks is a fun, relatively cheap way of expressing individuality and creativity, while supporting the game itself. $5 equates to different metrics of time for each of us..but if we are fortunate enough to afford it, why not?
It is quite safe to say we are not supporting a black market underground network, or bloodthirsty drug cartels.
Are you speaking from personal knowledge when you say, and repeat, that 'nothing is being done' by Reloaded and that Josh is merely'pretending'to work on Hawken?
What if our hope of future developments do not come to fruition? Will this bring you a sense of satisfaction?
What is your motive for warning us to avoid spending time (or money) on Hawken?
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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

 

Weren't you the one some months back whining on the forums that people don't play enough?

 

That's right you were! 

 

So who pissed in your Cheerios since then? 


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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

As a conspiracy theory this one is pretty sad.  I doubt the small community that hangs out in the forums (the people that closely follow dev updates) would generate enough revenue to even cover the cost of keeping the servers up and running (nevermind the hardware itself).  Most of revenue comes from the average player that finds Hawken on Steam, not veterans that have been playing for years.  They never goes to the forums; they install it play it for awhile and some buy some things and some don't (no idea what the numbers are) and that is not influenced by dev updates one bit.

 

Or perhaps you are just trolling?, then its just a different kind of sad.



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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

 

A game developers average income is around $ 83.000, a community managers around $ 65.000.

So lets say Tiggs has to spend only about a third of her working hours on Hawken and Josh works full time.

That still is over $ 100.000 Reloaded just has to invest in these two people per year. 

If we believe the rumors, they acquired Hawken for $ 80.000. 

Now add costs for servers and hardware at reloaded, costs for lawyers to look over contracts, accountants, etc etc.

They easily spend way over 200.000 on Hawken since they bought it and this is the cheapskate calculation.

There are no more than 300-400 active Hawken players, about a third will spend money on the game. Most of them on cosmetics which a fairly cheap.

Now lets assume that still 300 people would have invested money in Hawken each of them would have to had to spend over $ 660 for Reloaded to cover their expenses. We are not talking about profit yet.

 

There is always the option they go through what ADH left behind and come to the conclusion that it's not worth investing in Hawken, but still this leaves a 200k hole in their purse, nothing any company is happy to see, but the general goal for them MUST BE to make a decent amount of cash and that is not possible at the current state of Hawken. 


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it was my guesstimate they were chewing through about a quarter million USD a month, figuring the above list of bills, including paying 2 more devs, and what, 2 or 3 art/graphics geeks? this implies either a whopper of a business loan, VC group that thinks along the lines most of us do, or one or more CA, CB, or 12-12-2012 vet that reallyreallyreally likes HWK and has lotta money to throw at it,,,,,,,maybe a combination of any or all the above....

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A game developers average income is around $ 83.000, a community managers around $ 65.000.

So lets say Tiggs has to spend only about a third of her working hours on Hawken and Josh works full time.

That still is over $ 100.000 Reloaded just has to invest in these two people per year. 

If we believe the rumors, they acquired Hawken for $ 80.000. 

Now add costs for servers and hardware at reloaded, costs for laywers to look over contracts, accountants, etc etc.

They easily spend way over 200.000 on Hawken since they bought it.

There are no more than 3-400 active Hawken players, about a third will spend money on the game. Most of them on cosmetics which a fairly cheap.

Now lets assume that still 300 people would have invested money in Hawken each of them would have to had to spend over $ 660 for Reloaded to cover their expenses. 

 

There is always the option they go through what ADH left behind and come to the conclusion that it's not worth investing in Hawken, but still this leaves a 200k hole in their purse, nothing any company is happy to see, but the general goal for them MUST BE to make a decent amount of cash and that is not possible at the current state of Hawken. 

Dude don't even try.....  His theory assumes Josh and Tiggs are just working minimum wage and just making fuzzy bunny up as they go along and when they aren't doing that they washing the windows on the humungous skyscraper in Dubi that is Reloaded's headquarters cause you know.... they dubbed us out of all our monies and stuff.



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A game developers average income is around $ 83.000, a community managers around $ 65.000.

So lets say Tiggs has to spend only about a third of her working hours on Hawken and Josh works full time.

That still is over $ 100.000 Reloaded just has to invest in these two people per year. 

If we believe the rumors, they acquired Hawken for $ 80.000. 

Now add costs for servers and hardware at reloaded, costs for laywers to look over contracts, accountants, etc etc.

They easily spend way over 200.000 on Hawken since they bought it.

There are no more than 3-400 active Hawken players, about a third will spend money on the game. Most of them on cosmetics which a fairly cheap.

Now lets assume that still 300 people would have invested money in Hawken each of them would have to had to spend over $ 660 for Reloaded to cover their expenses. 

 

There is always the option they go through what ADH left behind and come to the conclusion that it's not worth investing in Hawken, but still this leaves a 200k hole in their purse, nothing any company is happy to see, but the general goal for them MUST BE to make a decent amount of cash and that is not possible at the current state of Hawken. 

 

Assuming this was the only thing they have been working on? I don't see where 7ish hours a day's worth of time would go if they haven't updated Hawken in any major way? Which leads me to think they have other responsibilities than just Hawken?

 

Dude don't even try.....  His theory assumes Josh and Tiggs are just working minimum wage and just making fuzzy bunny up as they go along and when they aren't doing that they washing the windows on the humungous skyscraper in Dubi that is Reloaded's headquarters cause you know.... they dubbed us out of all our monies and stuff.

 

Maybe, just maybe Hawken was bought for a reason other than to be made into a proper game? i don't know how familiar you are with 'APB Reloaded' but the direction that game has gone after it was acquired by Reloaded productions has been appalling, this guy is crazy I can tell that, but I still have my reservations with regards to Reloaded's intentions for this game and the time span they wish to accomplish anything for this game in.

It's been what a year, and unless you are a tech guru you wouldn't know what anything they have done means, that could be the problem here, nilesy just doesn't understand the update logs :)



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The amazing part is people actually believing this, Cap'n Josh is Reloaded games rep for Hawken, his job is to post "update notes" on this forum every once in a while to keep players spending cash on a dying game, Reloaded games are milking you all, Josh will say just enough and be just about vague enough for fans to construct ideas in their heads about actual changes being made when in fact nothing and I repeat nothing is being put in to this game aside from just enough forum presence to keep all the gullible players hooked, so yeah keep spending that moola while Josh pretends to be working on the future of Hawken, the future that is his inevitable disappearance from the forums when one by one you all realise there is no future for this game.

 

The most asinine part about your whole theory here is that you think this would be a profitable strategy.


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My guess is they bought a game for cheap, and will sink about $5mil in for a positive yr3 PV, IRR > 6%, and NPV of around $25M.  They'll want to make wholesale transactions: sell an Android version in China, sell demo clipss to VR companies, etc.


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I thought I was the cynical one; I have been outdone it seems.

Anyway, it's nice to have some kind of update at last, and if in 12 months there isn't any actual progress ( real patches to the game with new features/content ), then nilesy can say he told us so.

I'm just crossing my fingers for that A-class rocketeer style mech I've always dreamt of, since they have a handle on creating new mechs and weapons...

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Is there some information on how much the whole development of Hawken (just the game not the other stuff) was when ADH went belly up?



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 sell an Android version in China

 

lolwut? I'd pay for that just to see how shitty it would be.



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sell an Android version in China

lolwut? I'd pay for that just to see how shitty it would be.

There WAS an android version being developed for the Nvidia Shield.

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A game developers average income is around $ 83.000, a community managers around $ 65.000.

So lets say Tiggs has to spend only about a third of her working hours on Hawken and Josh works full time.

That still is over $ 100.000 Reloaded just has to invest in these two people per year. 

If we believe the rumors, they acquired Hawken for $ 80.000. 

Now add costs for servers and hardware at reloaded, costs for lawyers to look over contracts, accountants, etc etc.

They easily spend way over 200.000 on Hawken since they bought it and this is the cheapskate calculation.

There are no more than 300-400 active Hawken players, about a third will spend money on the game. Most of them on cosmetics which a fairly cheap.

Now lets assume that still 300 people would have invested money in Hawken each of them would have to had to spend over $ 660 for Reloaded to cover their expenses. We are not talking about profit yet.

 

There is always the option they go through what ADH left behind and come to the conclusion that it's not worth investing in Hawken, but still this leaves a 200k hole in their purse, nothing any company is happy to see, but the general goal for them MUST BE to make a decent amount of cash and that is not possible at the current state of Hawken. 

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound a little naive to the entire situation. To think Reloaded invested any resources into Hawken, remember reloaded purchased Hawken the IP not just the Steam game, just to save it and attempt to turn a large profit on the Steam version is silly. My opinion is that Reloaded purchased Hawken primarily for the Chinese version, that's a huge market, and more so with the legalization of console sales in China. That's a huge market waiting to be tapped into. If Reloaded had any serious interest in Steam Hawken, you'd have seen a team larger than 2 individuals thrown at the project. Even now, the current team is smaller than ADH was, and if this doesn't show the level of commitment, and or faith, in the product, idk what does. The gamble / profit return opportunity in purchasing the Hawken IP is the chinese version, plain and simple. If anything comes of the Steam version, that's just a little extra cheddar, not the meat of the deal tho. At least that's my take on it all.


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never heard of the chinese version before. I completely forgot about the chinese version.

I have to agree with you this is a very lucrative oppertunity for Reloaded and will probably be their main source of revenue.

 

However, I think having two people check what is has been left behind by ADH and hire accordingly afterwards is a smart move when you do a more or less blind bargain. 


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never heard of the chinese version before. I completely forgot about the chinese version.

I have to agree with you this is a very lucrative oppertunity for Reloaded and will probably be their main source of revenue.

 

However, I think having two people check what is has been left behind by ADH and hire accordingly afterwards is a smart move when you do a more or less blind bargain. 

 

Huge new market potential, the Steam version is childs play in comparison.


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never heard of the chinese version before. I completely forgot about the chinese version.

I have to agree with you this is a very lucrative oppertunity for Reloaded and will probably be their main source of revenue.

 

However, I think having two people check what is has been left behind by ADH and hire accordingly afterwards is a smart move when you do a more or less blind bargain. 

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Android console...hmm, that is a market I wouldn't say call the great potential...

 

Game like Hawken? A bit of competitive and hard sci-fi design?

 

Since Hawen: OB cant fight with current generation of console game, I would say its main market is still PC.

 

BUT guess what:

 

Many of them have seen the game, some of them have seen it all. Without major update(Bigger and Better than Ascension), I doubt hawken can go much farther than now.  Although fixed ping issue and some local population might attract some of them, but not for long.

But hey, a company is paying Hawken for their console! Money get. ?


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Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound a little naive to the entire situation. To think Reloaded invested any resources into Hawken, remember reloaded purchased Hawken the IP not just the Steam game, just to save it and attempt to turn a large profit on the Steam version is silly. My opinion is that Reloaded purchased Hawken primarily for the Chinese version, that's a huge market, and more so with the legalization of console sales in China. That's a huge market waiting to be tapped into. If Reloaded had any serious interest in Steam Hawken, you'd have seen a team larger than 2 individuals thrown at the project. Even now, the current team is smaller than ADH was, and if this doesn't show the level of commitment, and or faith, in the product, idk what does. The gamble / profit return opportunity in purchasing the Hawken IP is the chinese version, plain and simple. If anything comes of the Steam version, that's just a little extra cheddar, not the meat of the deal tho. At least that's my take on it all.

I don't claim to be an expert nor do I have any real knowledge of the Chinese game market but I have enough experience in and around complex IT projects to know you shouldn't be calling anyone naive.

 

A very small team to assess what they have makes sense.  Shortly after that they hired a highly experienced project lead; this would be to get the project back up and running on, set priorities and goals, and general timelines.  Somewhere along the line they hired artists and game play experts, and in this update it sounds like software engineers have been hired.  ....So yeah, two people?

 

Hawken is being developed here State side as a PC game, whatever money the Chinese partner generates will stay with them, it will help Reloaded but its not going to make them rich.  The Android thing is the side project from the work started with nVidia Shield; essentially low hanging fruit from a development perspective.



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I don't claim to be an expert nor do I have any real knowledge of the Chinese game market but I have enough experience in and around complex IT projects to know you shouldn't be calling anyone naive.

 

A very small team to assess what they have makes sense.  Shortly after that they hired a highly experienced project lead; this would be to get the project back up and running on, set priorities and goals, and general timelines.  Somewhere along the line they hired artists and game play experts, and in this update it sounds like software engineers have been hired.  ....So yeah, two people?

 

Hawken is being developed here State side as a PC game, whatever money the Chinese partner generates will stay with them, it will help Reloaded but its not going to make them rich.  The Android thing is the side project from the work started with nVidia Shield; essentially low hanging fruit from a development perspective.

 

This isn't an IT project, this is the purchase of a damaged IP. Josh and Tiggs were probably on some other team or project at Reloaded and were shifted over to this effort. If there was any serious thought that Hawken could become a respectably profitable operation, someone from within the company with programming experience would have immediately come along with. Instead it's been months. I understand the chinese android version is a separate entity, but none the less it's Hawken, and owned by Reloaded. Again, to dismiss an android consoles performance in china is foolish, completely different market there, and the nvidia shield is a sub $200 console. I don't blame Reloaded for not going all in on Hawken Steam version, it's an extremely risky endeavor, which more than likely won't see any large scale success (will probably never even break even). They have every right to try and play it safe to minimize losses, and if for some reason the game becomes profitable, gravy.


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This isn't an IT project, this is the purchase of a damaged IP. Josh and Tiggs were probably on some other team or project at Reloaded and were shifted over to this effort. If there was any serious thought that Hawken could become a respectably profitable operation, someone from within the company with programming experience would have immediately come along with. Instead it's been months. I understand the chinese android version is a separate entity, but none the less it's Hawken, and owned by Reloaded. Again, to dismiss an android consoles performance in china is foolish, completely different market there, and the nvidia shield is a sub $200 console. I don't blame Reloaded for not going all in on Hawken Steam version, it's an extremely risky endeavor, which more than likely won't see any large scale success (will probably never even break even). They have every right to try and play it safe to minimize losses, and if for some reason the game becomes profitable, gravy.

Hawken was acquired in seized assets; it sat that way for probably a year or more before Reloaded was ever part of the picture.  There were ongoing negations with the creditors and other parties other than Reloaded to take ownership of the IP.  Now that they own the IP and have started development again it is an IT project.



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Hawken was acquired in seized assets; it sat that way for probably a year or more before Reloaded was ever part of the picture.  There were ongoing negations with the creditors and other parties other than Reloaded to take ownership of the IP.  Now that they own the IP and have started development again it is an IT project.

 

Um, ok, that doesn't change anything I said about the IP, development, and business opportunities. Assetts seized or not, what you're biding for is still disclosed. Do you think anyone put a bid in without knowing whet they were getting with the IP? lol This isn't storage wars.


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I will be happy when an update to the game does come. Then, hopefully, the forums will have less

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Happy gaming everybody  :teehee:


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I will be happy when an update to the game does come. Then, hopefully, the forums will have less

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Happy gaming everybody  :teehee:

 

LMAO  :laugh: ...well said Sir !


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Um, ok, that doesn't change anything I said about the IP, development, and business opportunities. Assetts seized or not, what you're biding for is still disclosed. Do you think anyone put a bid in without knowing whet they were getting with the IP? lol This isn't storage wars.

No, it doesn't change anything.  You are bidding on the IP and development assets; but you aren't going to really know exactly what you have till you bought it and spent weeks going through it setting it all back up.

 

As far as I know the Android version for the market in China that is not being handled by Reloaded (correct me if I'm wrong).  More to the point though if thats where real money was to be made the creditors would have sold to a company that deals with Android games and built a team with Android experience instead of PC publisher and and a team with extensive PC experience.



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No, it doesn't change anything.  You are bidding on the IP and development assets; but you aren't going to really know exactly what you have till you bought it and spent weeks going through it setting it all back up.

 

As far as I know the Android version for the market in China that is not being handled by Reloaded (correct me if I'm wrong).  More to the point though if thats where real money was to be made the creditors would have sold to a company that deals with Android games and built a team with Android experience instead of PC publisher and and a team with extensive PC experience.

that's a good point, but�

 

�watching this discussion going on I feel that it is kinda moot. we won't change anything reloaded does. we are not at a point we're we have to decide whether to spend lots of money on the game or not. we have no gain in figuring out their strategy for Hawken. 

we can decide to play or to quit and we can make suggestions what we'd like to see.


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While we talk about updates and stuff... all I think of is hoping it'll look like this again. I NEVER GET TIRED OF THIS VIDEO

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that's a good point, but�

 

�watching this discussion going on I feel that it is kinda moot. we won't change anything reloaded does. we are not at a point we're we have to decide whether to spend lots of money on the game or not. we have no gain in figuring out their strategy for Hawken. 

we can decide to play or to quit and we can make suggestions what we'd like to see.

No, your right it is pretty much moot, I just find the development process interesting (even the inside baseball stuff)  Of course it should will be much more interesting in the coming months :).


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