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[thirtysix]

Can some of the top end players come together and run a "classroom" to teach Hawken to anyone willing to learn?

We all know there are player retention problems, perhaps if players could be taught by "experts" and improve their game skills hands on style so they could return to playing in pub matches and apply the new skills, see nearly instant results, it would help keep some, new and not so new players, around longer and more often.

 

The details I leave to this fine community...

 

Before you point out all the tutorials and so forth, those aren't the same as being taught first hand.

 

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Edited by thirtysix, 16 September 2015 - 01:12 PM.

[JackVandal]

i think this is a really good idea if we could find a way to efficiently direct new players to the practices as well as some talented players to give some tips and tricks, and show how they help.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

I can. I've taught plenty of new players, so I'd be pretty comfortable doing this(2500 mmr, ranked 41st).

 

Unfortunately we'd need to find someone to host the server, but that shouldn't be hard.

[Elite_is_salty]

There are many private server owners who'd be more than happy to allow you to use their server for such a purpose.

[6ixxer]

I've been meaning to do this on one of the private servers in Oceania. I just made myself a second account for this reason

1v1 scrims with feedback make it easier for new pilots to work out why they may not be doing well in other matches.

 

Better with voice, but not impossible with typing.

[Meraple]

I'm willing to help 2100+ players on the BATPANDA server in Europe. I've no idea how to help most players below that.
EDIT: Bad Wi-Fi together with my new schedule makes me unable to play.

1v1 scrims with feedback make it easier for new pilots to work out why they may not be doing well in other matches.

It helps people higher up the ladder as well - they usually can't figure out what they're doing wrong by themself.
Dodging left 90% of the time, always walking in the same direction, etc.

Edited by (KDR) Meraple, 31 August 2015 - 11:44 PM.

[Shoutaxeror]

Dodging left 90% of the time ? Really ? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE ??? Don't believe this man

[Merl61]

HEY GUYS!!!!!!!!!! PM ME

[Amidatelion]

This was started up multiple times in EU and NA, and the reason it stopped on both sides was not enough people were interested, dropped out, or couldn't make the times that the trainer could.

 

If Merl is willing to start this up again, more power to him.

 

But those of you interested in it need to show up.

[DerMax]

Sure. $20.00/hr.

[n3onfx]

 

Dodging left 90% of the time

 

Wow really? Who would even do that...

 

 

 

>_>

 

 

<_<

[thirtysix]

Well I thought this could be a permanent thing... the private server owner would rename the server to something reflecting it's purpose, set the parms appropriately and it could be manned by volunteers from our community. We all love the game, a small sacrifice of time whenever you can isn't so much to ask. For the server owner, talk with Reloaded... make a deal (it's for their benefit as well). And it will make you feel all warm and fuzzy bunny inside :)

 

We've all seen the questions new pilots ask, how do I heal, what's the best mech, how can I beat this or that mech, they don't respond well to my answer which is watch SoldierHobbes11 on youtube or check the forum for tutorials.

Edited by thirtysix, 30 August 2015 - 01:49 PM.

[Amidatelion]

Well I thought this could be a permanent thing... the private server owner would rename the server to something reflecting it's purpose, set the parms appropriately and it could be manned by volunteers from our community. We all love the game, a small sacrifice of time whenever you can isn't so much to ask. For the server owner, talk with Reloaded... make a deal (it's for their benefit as well). And it will make you feel all warm and fuzzy bunny inside :)

 

We've all seen the questions new pilots ask, how do I heal, what's the best mech, how can I beat this or that mech, they don't respond well to my answer which is watch SoldierHobbes11 on youtube or check the forum for tutorials.

 

Yeah, that's a cool idea, but when would the volunteer trainers show? When would the trainees show? Who's doing the scheduling? Is this NA or EU? Whose server is going to be used? How would trainees know to show in a given server? Reloaded might give us a hot tile to start with, but I doubt there will be a permanent one. 

 

And no offense, but fuzzy feelings inside only happen when something gets accomplished. I am no stranger to helping scrubs and putting in the time, but if I have to show up to another poorly planned event only to have no one else do so, that will pretty much be it for my involvement with this community.

[DeeRax]

I approve this message.
 

I still don't know how to dodge move well.
Or use the damn heat cannon.
Etc.

In general, there is stuff I'm unlikely to ever get the grasp of on my own unless someone is like, "No, stupidhead, this is how you do it."

[thirtysix]

I've been meaning to do this on one of the private servers in Oceania. I just made myself a second account for this reason

1v1 scrims with feedback make it easier for new pilots to work out why they may not be doing well in other matches.

 

Better with voice, but not impossible with typing.

 

There is a team speak for Hawken players, can someone fill in the blanks for me :)

If the TS owner was asked nicely, perhaps they would help out.

Edited by thirtysix, 30 August 2015 - 06:48 PM.

[thirtysix]

Yeah, that's a cool idea, but when would the volunteer trainers show? When would the trainees show? Who's doing the scheduling? Is this NA or EU? Whose server is going to be used? How would trainees know to show in a given server? Reloaded might give us a hot tile to start with, but I doubt there will be a permanent one. 

 

And no offense, but fuzzy feelings inside only happen when something gets accomplished. I am no stranger to helping scrubs and putting in the time, but if I have to show up to another poorly planned event only to have no one else do so, that will pretty much be it for my involvement with this community.

 

All good questions, and I think we could work this all out in the forum/this thread and private messages. Since it's really all volunteer... BYOB, if your there your there, if your not it's all good. Ain't no money in it, the pay off, if you will, is keeping this game alive, bring/keep more players and make things a bit more competitive. IDK bout you but playing the same ppl day in and day out is getting old. I don't have all the answers but have seen what we as a community can do collectively.

[crockrocket]

 

Dodging left 90% of the time

 

I've heard that I have a tendency to this

[ticklemyiguana]

There is a team speak for Hawken players, can someone fill in the blanks for me :)

If the TS owner was asked nicely, perhaps they would help out.

We'll do whatever we can to help such a cause, so long as it doesn't interrupt our binge drinking and drug dependencies.

[6ixxer]

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Dodging left 90% of the time, always walking in the same direction, etc.

 

I dont think I do this.

I think I subconsciously dodge to whichever side has a fuzzy bunny obstacle in my way.

>:(

 

I have my goods days where I can outplay 1800-2K MMR pilots.

I equally have my bad days where I just plain forget to watch radar, use my ability and items and get hung op on every wall.

 

I am happy to play in a mentor server and do scrims and then explain what technique I use or what habit I notice they have.

I equally like playing the 2K+ MMR players that stretch my skills to the limit so I can practice the skills needed to survive in high MMR matches.

[Moeaswordusrex]

You get my vote. I suck.

[thirtysix]

I don't know any of the private server owners, can some hook us up or point me in the right direction?

[The_Silencer]

Probably by lowering the required minimum pilots number to launch a DM game to 2 players instead might help too..

 

P.S. * What's the actual minimum requirement to launch one? ..

[Amidatelion]

Probably by lowering the required minimum pilots number to launch a DM game to 2 players instead might help too..

P.S. * What's the actual minimum requirement to launch one? ..

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[thirtysix]

I don't think DM is such a great place to have class. MA or Siege, they have no time limit. From the couple of matches I've played on privates, the admin was able to set just about any parm they wanted... including giving players stupid huge amounts of health.

[6ixxer]

Private are better, but a quiet DM server is not the worst place. If someone else enters you tell them you are mentoring and they help or you quit the match and swap to another DM.

[thirtysix]

We'll do whatever we can to help such a cause, so long as it doesn't interrupt our binge drinking and drug dependencies.

 

You sir state the obvious :)

[thirtysix]

Lot's of positive comments, yet to see any follow through.

Message me if you can help!

[6ixxer]

I played 1v1 last night with a returning player.

He helped me with scout which is my newest least used mech, I helped get him re-accustomed to the game he was losing love for. Perhaps he won't give up on Hawken.

If there are new players in Oceanic then add 6ixxer in Hawken and steam. We need more mid level players to stick around rather than feeling like they are just cannon fodder for veterans.

[Pelanthoris]

Training servers would be nice indeed. I know it's not happening in the foreseeable future, but if reloaded could spend the time and give the trainers some kind of status, it would be awesome if noobs could see on the main menu that someone is mentoring right now.

 

Logic: recognized trainer on training server -> button appears on main menu for players in certain level/mmr-range and in same area.

[The_Silencer]

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Yes and yes, thanks. I've just checked it myself 10 mins ago and played a very fun 1vs1 DM with a new pal. =)

[HoneyBoomBoom]

I'm a little late to the party, but I think this is a great idea!  I'm sure I've mentioned before that I nearly quit out of frustration, not being able to figure out what I was doing wrong.  I ran into Lyeth on a server where there were only four players and was given some great feedback on just a couple things where I was off.  Worked on that, improved my game, and started having fun again!

 

I ended up joining the TPG thing (Go Team TDM!) in hopes of finding more of that sort of feedback.  Turns out there wasn't as much of that as I had hoped, but it's still great when those little gems of wisdom are passed along.  

 

If there were more "clinics", I'd definitely try to attend and run through some drills!

[thirtysix]

I'm a little late to the party, but I think this is a great idea!  I'm sure I've mentioned before that I nearly quit out of frustration, not being able to figure out what I was doing wrong.  I ran into Lyeth on a server where there were only four players and was given some great feedback on just a couple things where I was off.  Worked on that, improved my game, and started having fun again!

 

I ended up joining the TPG thing (Go Team TDM!) in hopes of finding more of that sort of feedback.  Turns out there wasn't as much of that as I had hoped, but it's still great when those little gems of wisdom are passed along.  

 

If there were more "clinics", I'd definitely try to attend and run through some drills!

 

Clinic, that works better than Classroom...

always hated school :/

[thirtysix]

Even though this was my bright idea, my RL is unpredictable. Someone with mad organizing skills please step up and help put this all together.

[JackVandal]

i feel like this would work best if there was a rotation of sort, have a list of players willing to help, have them check in when they dont mind helping out, then have a notice that a trainer is on hand, and if people wana join they can, though this would require more doing i feel its more likely to work as long as we have a few people willing to help spread throughout the week.

[thirtysix]

i feel like this would work best if there was a rotation of sort, have a list of players willing to help, have them check in when they dont mind helping out, then have a notice that a trainer is on hand, and if people wana join they can, though this would require more doing i feel its more likely to work as long as we have a few people willing to help spread throughout the week.

 

TeamSpeak would make this super easy

[JackVandal]

TeamSpeak would make this super easy

perhaps an icon ingame (like the surveys) directing the players to the teamspeak and a server with a trainer in it. to be honest id volunteer now and then if i had a mic, im not a great player, but i know enough to get new players started as well as point them in the right direction. the trick would be making sure enough guys to volunteer for the teaching slot throughout the week or have set hours where players can stop by so to speak and get help.

[The_Silencer]

Test Arena(/s) should be the way here..

 

Nevertheless, there's yet a couple things to solve... as for example minimizing the possibility of having third parties molesting during a training in between a pair of pilots in "a room" or arena (instructor and recruit*). Coherent and/or smarter re/spawning points.. Coherently blocking/allowing teleport points to other "rooms" or arenas by a pilot when applies.. moderator/s.. and the the positive possibility of having people spectating a training too and without interfere it ... In any case production efforts will be required in order to have such a training space up and ready for the crowd wiling to teach others or get instructed..

 

In the mean time one or more public DM servers might be properly renamed and oriented to trainings in order to see what happens and how the crowd behaves in there..

 

Just my 2 cents on this subject (again).

Edited by The_Silencer, 08 September 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[thirtysix]

Test Arena(/s) should be the way here..

 

Nevertheless, there's yet a couple things to solve... as for example minimizing the possibility of having third parties molesting during a training in between a pair of pilots in "a room" or arena (instructor and recruit*). Coherent and/or smarter re/spawning points.. Coherently blocking/allowing teleport points to other "rooms" or arenas by a pilot when applies.. moderator/s.. and the the positive possibility of having people spectating a training too and without interfere it ... In any case production efforts will be required in order to have such a training space up and ready for the crowd wiling to teach others or get instructed..

 

In the mean time one or more public DM servers might be properly renamed and oriented to trainings in order to see what happens and how the crowd behaves in there..

 

Just my 2 cents on this subject (again).

 

Great suggestion. Would be workable until a private server could be setup. Public servers would mean using DM, you only need two players to start a match.

[6ixxer]

would love to see fightclub get more use, a basic texture would break up the glaring white walls.

I went on a server that was on fighclub map recently and then it rotated to other maps :(

 

EDIT: and the spectator areas can make for good video capture/analysis of the tactics

Edited by 6ixxer, 08 September 2015 - 04:17 PM.

[(P:B)Augmentia]

It would be kind of nice for the private fightclub server (cough) that maybe the devs could (cough cough) reinstate (COUGH COUGH). *Wink* *Wink*

 

Edit: We should just make a list of trainers that hop on TS when they are on Hawken, and we tell the new players that want to get better to check the list, hop on TS, and make voice/text contact with one of the official trainers. It could be a TS server subclass, with it's own icon. Just thoughts.

Edited by -vR.Augmentia, 08 September 2015 - 04:52 PM.