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[Kopra]

I think that the picture is distorted and would be more informative if the accounts that have 1250 MMR were not taken into consideration. Or the accounts that have not reached level 15 (~8-10 hrs playtime?).

This. It looked more like a player retention curve than a "skill" curve.

[MomOw]

I think that the picture is distorted and would be more informative if the accounts that have 1250 MMR were not taken into consideration. Or the accounts that have not reached level 15 (~8-10 hrs playtime?).

 

Add to this the fact that EU is a smurf village, trying to dig out the "true figures" can be really hard.

 

[_incitatus]

In addition to what everyone else has already said, record yourself playing and then review it.  You can learn a lot from seeing what actually happened in a fight that isn't obvious in the heat of battle.

[Pleasure_Mortar]

One thing I'd like to point out is that when I talk about MMR I use it as a substitute for my skill and the ability to compete with others/better players.

Due to the matchmaker caring about MMR makes somehow sense so you can play with people of your skill level or better. In general I don't care much for the number itself. If there wasn't any MMR then I'd have asked if there is a certain skillwall and how to get better. The MMR for me is just a convinient measurement.

-> I want to improve as a player not make a number bigger for the sole purpose of having a high rating.

[Sylhiri]

Yeah, like I use to not be able to kill Dave at all, now I can usually kill him at least once in round (when his back is to me and he's nearly dead already).

 

Sorry phed but I disagree with this line of thinking. The more you place people above yourself the harder it is to be equal or greater then them, it's a mental barrier that keeps a player from doing well. I've seen a lot of good players since Alpha (although a lot of them left), many better then me but I always thought of them as equals. The best thing you can have is a calm and logical mind when playing, going "oh there is whateverhishernameis, i'm going to get destroyed" actually makes that happen and you miss a lot of the mistakes that the person makes that could have allowed you to succeed if you capitolized on it (as much as the current game balance allows). They are only human.

Edited by Sylhiri, 12 October 2015 - 09:31 AM.

[Charcoal]

What's really frustrating me in this discussion is that it's obvious in objective mode games, that what's good for MMR isn't necessarily what's good for the team.

 

I think objective goals are underweighted  (time in AA, on On silo, Fighting attacking near AA or silo) 

[Silverfire]

When I play against higher skilled players, I don't go into that fight with a losing mindset. I don't think, "Hey, that's so-and-so, I'm going to die."  I think, "that's an enemy and he's going to die or I'm going to die and that's how it is," regardless if that's dave, Xacius, merl, cluster.  Anybody.  The worst anyone can ever do is expect yourself to lose because that's only digging yourself into a mental hole.  Believe you can beat them and eventually, you'll get it once.  Then maybe twice.  Then before you know it you've improved a lot.  Just keep at it, persistence is the best way to get better at anything.  That's why pro athletes train nearly every day.  They want to get better so they're persistent in improving themselves and their skills.  

 

It's not, "I'll try to get better."

It's, "I will get better."  

Edited by Silverfire, 12 October 2015 - 10:12 AM.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

What's really frustrating me in this discussion is that it's obvious in objective mode games, that what's good for MMR isn't necessarily what's good for the team.

I think objective goals are underweighted (time in AA, on On silo, Fighting attacking near AA or silo)

Way back when, this used to be a thing.

Garx asked me one day why my MMR was so high when I sucked so bad?

It was at 2150 because I camped on the AA and ran EU.

There was no way that justified my presence in some of those matches.

I think we're better off just basing it on score/min not XP/min. I mean, he was right, I really DID suck.

[Amidatelion]

When I play against higher skilled players, I don't go into that fight with a losing mindset. I don't think, "Hey, that's so-and-so, I'm going to die."  I think, "that's an enemy and he's going to die or I'm going to die and that's how it is," regardless if that's dave, Xacius, merl, cluster.  Anybody.  The worst anyone can ever do is expect yourself to lose because that's only digging yourself into a mental hole.  Believe you can beat them and eventually, you'll get it once.  Then maybe twice.  Then before you know it you've improved a lot.  Just keep at it, persistence is the best way to get better at anything.  That's why pro athletes train nearly every day.  They want to get better so they're persistent in improving themselves and their skills.  

 

It's not, "I'll try to get better."

It's, "I will get better."  

 

...

 

*moves Silverfire's name up to Permanent on internal roster*

[phed]

Sorry phed but I disagree with this line of thinking. The more you place people above yourself the harder it is to be equal or greater then them, it's a mental barrier that keeps a player from doing well. I've seen a lot of good players since Alpha (although a lot of them left), many better then me but I always thought of them as equals. The best thing you can have is a calm and logical mind when playing, going "oh there is whateverhishernameis, i'm going to get destroyed" actually makes that happen and you miss a lot of the mistakes that the person makes that could have allowed you to succeed if you capitolized on it (as much as the current game balance allows). They are only human.

You disagree with my joke?

[Sylhiri]

You disagree with my joke?

 

Yes :0

[PoopSlinger]

What's really frustrating me in this discussion is that it's obvious in objective mode games, that what's good for MMR isn't necessarily what's good for the team.

I think objective goals are underweighted (time in AA, on On silo, Fighting attacking near AA or silo)

What's good for MMR and team is to kill the other team and win fights. If your team is constantly losing fights you can't do the side objectives like capture silos or hold AA.

[IareDave]

When I play against higher skilled players, I don't go into that fight with a losing mindset. I don't think, "Hey, that's so-and-so, I'm going to die."  I think, "that's an enemy and he's going to die or I'm going to die and that's how it is," regardless if that's dave, Xacius, merl, cluster.  Anybody.  The worst anyone can ever do is expect yourself to lose because that's only digging yourself into a mental hole.  Believe you can beat them and eventually, you'll get it once.  Then maybe twice.  Then before you know it you've improved a lot.  Just keep at it, persistence is the best way to get better at anything.  That's why pro athletes train nearly every day.  They want to get better so they're persistent in improving themselves and their skills.  

 

That's the right mentality. Gaming is just a motor skill. It's the same as riding a bike, playing an instrument, or throwing a football. The brain learns from repeated patterns and forms myelin sheath over neurons that connect to your muscles that can increase the speed and precision of a certain muscle movement by 40-50x times (watch this cup stacking demonstrate this in full nerd-glory )

 

But yeah, when I first joined Omni 5 or 6 months into my Hawken playtime I was the worst duelist on the team, despite scoring relatively well in team scenarios. I took it upon myself to study how these guys play, and I thought to myself 'How can I do it better than them'.

[The_Silencer]

SkillWall: IMHO, it is actually ubicated in between the 1700 and 1800 Range. Worths some extra checking to see if the whole thing may improve or not...

 

P.S. Actually, I find something to be very annoying. When hyper-high-ascended pilots with really higher MMRs invite you to join in some game and you can't because of you lower MMR. Maybe I should have abandoned more team based games in the past... or... WTH.. maybe not!

[Pleasure_Mortar]

Yes the winning mindset is kinda crucial for almost everything.

[Charcoal]

What's good for MMR and team is to kill the other team and win fights. If your team is constantly losing fights you can't do the side objectives like capture silos or hold AA.

Yes and no.

 

There's an understanding of timing, knowing when to yolodive to buy some time of Eu runners, Knowing when to live as hard as you can in the AA.

 

I regularly see ultra high MMR players leave the AA to hunt my teammates who aren't even near AA, good for MMR, bad for team.
It's compounded by how autobalancing works these days.

Those High MMR players are usually paired with much lower MMR folks these days.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Yes and no.

 

There's an understanding of timing, knowing when to yolodive to buy some time of Eu runners, Knowing when to live as hard as you can in the AA.

 

I regularly see ultra high MMR players leave the AA to hunt my teammates who aren't even near AA, good for MMR, bad for team.
It's compounded by how autobalancing works these days.

Those High MMR players are usually paired with much lower MMR folks these days.

 

Well, two things:  it hurts the opponent's morale to get killed while running EU or being unable to leave base.  And, it takes about 15 seconds to respawn, so there's that effect, too.

 

It used to take a few hundred EU from the ship to spawn you, too.

[spr1nterJam]

there is no skill wall

simply

new smurfers steals your MMR again and again

so that is why you are stuck low

it is simple

[Amidatelion]

there is no skill wall

simply

new smurfers steals your MMR again and again

so that is why you are stuck low

it is simple

 

Did someone take a dump in your fuzzing cereal this morning or what? Jesus, you're on a piss-baby whine rampage today.

[Hyginos]

I regularly see ultra high MMR players leave the AA to hunt my teammates who aren't even near AA, good for MMR, bad for team.

 

Forcing fights off the point is actually a very strong tactic, assuming you have the point in question, because it applies a ton of pressure before the point is even contested.

[Pleasure_Mortar]

As much as I was going WOAAAH! when I recently turned up the graphics detail settings from low to high, I can't ignore the fact that the disadvantages are huge.

Is anyone playing with settings above medium who is slightly comeptitive these days?

 

No I don't want plastic Hawken. Thats killing the Hawken feeling for me.

[LaurenEmily]

 anyone playing with settings above medium who is slightly comeptitive these days?

 

I play with high settings, ultra causes lag on certain maps. Am i competitive, i guess that's subjective.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

As much as I was going WOAAAH! when I recently turned up the graphics detail settings from low to high, I can't ignore the fact that the disadvantages are huge.
Is anyone playing with settings above medium who is slightly comeptitive these days?

No I don't want plastic Hawken. Thats killing the Hawken feeling for me.

Ultra but 1024

[Pleasure_Mortar]

wow I'm really suprised.

[Hyginos]

IIRC one of the THC guys (Solostarian?) plays on ultra with physx and everything.

[PsychedelicGrass]

I use the highest possible settings for everything and have no issues

[Kopra]

 

No I don't want plastic Hawken. Thats killing the Hawken feeling for me.

 

I beg to differ. Toy weapons and plastic graphics fit well together. 

[_incitatus]

IIRC one of the THC guys (Solostarian?) plays on ultra with physx and everything.

 

He did, but he was getting really bad fps when recording.

 

I run mine on ultra w/physx and everything when I feel like it, and still get 60+ fps while streaming. 

[Hyginos]

He did, but he was getting really bad fps when recording.

 

I run mine on ultra w/physx and everything when I feel like it, and still get 60+ fps while streaming. 

 

What kind of rig do you have?

 

Maybe I'm spoiled by 144hz, but even on a 970 and an i7 I have to run high quality plastic to get the frames as smooth as I want.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Gtx770 4gb and i7-4790

[_incitatus]

GTX 670, core i7, 16 GB RAM, Intel SSD

[phed]

IIRC one of the THC guys (Solostarian?) plays on ultra with physx and everything.

I do too. Ultra w/ phsx, and I sub onto our tpg team when needed, but I don't consider myself competitive.

[TheButtSatisfier]

I run at 9 or so during most games but I can make the desk levitate about 12 when I'm playing an exciting round. I keep it trimmed to a 2 on the sides but I do zig-zag patterns as I get closer to the navel to keep it fun. Crashes after long use but it's usually ready to go a few hours later. I ran the "oh fuzzy bunny" stress test in Vegas; had to do a number of follow-up tests to confirm my rig wasn't compromised. I've owned it for almost three decades and hasn't failed me yet.

[Charcoal]

That's the right mentality. Gaming is just a motor skill. It's the same as riding a bike, playing an instrument, or throwing a football. The brain learns from repeated patterns and forms myelin sheath over neurons that connect to your muscles that can increase the speed and precision of a certain muscle movement by 40-50x times (watch this cup stacking demonstrate this in full nerd-glory )

 

But yeah, when I first joined Omni 5 or 6 months into my Hawken playtime I was the worst duelist on the team, despite scoring relatively well in team scenarios. I took it upon myself to study how these guys play, and I thought to myself 'How can I do it better than them'.

Well, there's 2 components to being good.

 

The 'motor' skills and the 'tactical/strategic/SA' skills.

It's just not that helpful to be :
a) Undefeatable, but in the wrong place 
b) In the right place, but no survival skillz

c) Can't/won't recognize what the team needs at a certain point in time.

d) Completely unwilling to sacrifice personal good for the team's needs

[Amidatelion]

I run at 9 or so during most games but I can make the desk levitate about 12 when I'm playing an exciting round. I keep it trimmed to a 2 on the sides but I do zig-zag patterns as I get closer to the navel to keep it fun. Crashes after long use but it's usually ready to go a few hours later. I ran the "oh fuzzy bunny" stress test in Vegas; had to do a number of follow-up tests to confirm my rig wasn't compromised. I've owned it for almost three decades and hasn't failed me yet.

 

They're asking about system specs, not your libido.

[JeffMagnum]

They're asking about system specs, not your libido.

 

thanks for clarifying that for him

[eth0]

What kind of rig do you have?

 

Maybe I'm spoiled by 144hz, but even on a 970 and an i7 I have to run high quality plastic to get the frames as smooth as I want.

 

High texture plastic ftw on a 7870 and i5.

[JackVandal]

I play with high settings, ultra causes lag on certain maps. Am i competitive, i guess that's subjective.

 

 

Ultra but 1024

 

 

I use the highest possible settings for everything and have no issues

 

 

He did, but he was getting really bad fps when recording.

 

I run mine on ultra w/physx and everything when I feel like it, and still get 60+ fps while streaming. 

 

 

I do too. Ultra w/ phsx, and I sub onto our tpg team when needed, but I don't consider myself competitive.

I hate all of you

[spr1nterJam]

ultra for texture and graphics

high for physx

 

 

Did someone take a dump in your fuzzing cereal this morning or what? Jesus, you're on a piss-baby whine rampage today.

who know that truth can rustly you jimmie that much

[crockrocket]

I recently discovered that I had been running on maximum settings for a few weeks during TPG, which led to several crashes during practice and even when during a league match.

 

 

I am not a smart man.