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[ticklemyiguana]

Route. There's a right way to pronounce it and a silly way to pronounce it.

My friend asserts that Brits and other UK people pronounce the word "R-ow-t", similar to grout, or well, how you would pronounce the word rout, not route. Could you people from over there clarify that?

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 24 January 2016 - 06:57 PM.

[FEF-FEFington]

Aussie here. For me, it depends on the other letters before/after.

I.E: I'd say "Router" with an "ow" sound, but I'll pronouce "En Route" with an "oo" sound.

[angryhampster]

root....

 

route...

 

english dictionary is cursed.

[ticklemyiguana]

Aussie here. For me, it depends on the other letters before/after.

I.E: I'd say "Router" with an "ow" sound, but I'll pronouce "En Route" with an "oo" sound.

Question is regarding the word "route" explicitly, but I as well.

 

As far as "router" is concerned - and my friend did throw that at me - the suffix "er" is separate in pronunciation from the preceding word. Though "router" stems from the word "route" and not "rout", the pronunciation ignores that.

[americanbrit14]

English, like many languages, has a lot of very weird things that almost don't make sense, but that's not even counting all the different dialects.

when you do count dialects you have things like people arguing whether its pronounced "Mountain" or "Moun-n" completely disregarding the T sound in the word

[ticklemyiguana]

English, like many languages, has a lot of very weird things that almost don't make sense, but that's not even counting all the different dialects.

when you do count dialects you have things like people arguing whether its pronounced "Mountain" or "Moun-n" completely disregarding the T sound in the word

GUherghergh. I have a hard time counting that as a "dialect" versus just being lazy.

[eth0]

Routers route routable protocols.

[americanbrit14]

GUherghergh. I have a hard time counting that as a "dialect" versus just being lazy.

fair point, how about how in the areas of the central though mainly southern parts of U.S. there are things like "Pin" and "Pen" sounding the same as well as the also kind of lazy use of the 'word' "Y'all"

Edited by Spearnklefarth Von Cuttingbre III, 24 January 2016 - 07:36 PM.

[ticklemyiguana]

fair point, how about how in the areas of the central though mainly southern parts of U.S. there are things like "Pin" and "Pen" sounding the same as well as the also kind of lazy use of the 'word' "Y'all"

I might be biased. I studied Italian for ~10 years, and it was in those studies that the notion of "dialects" was introduced to me. In Italy, dialects are extremely distinct - they are geographically separated, follow distinct grammatical and pronunciation rules, and are in possession of a greatly varied vocabulary well beyond, both in variety and structural variance, the differences listed above - functionally separate words. I would be hard pressed to find a linguist that would grant dialect status to the variations in spoken English not only in the United States, but even into Europe, where different words are actually used.

 

As far as "y'all" is concerned, I find it's worth accepting that as a simple abbreviation - similar to don't or won't. Not to mention, the word is fairly commonplace even in NY.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 24 January 2016 - 07:42 PM.

[americanbrit14]

I might be biased. I studied Italian for ~10 years, and it was in those studies that the notion of "dialects" was introduced to me. In Italy, dialects are extremely distinct - they are geographically separated, follow distinct grammatical and pronunciation rules, and are in possession of a greatly varied vocabulary well beyond, both in variety and structural variance, the differences listed above - functionally separate words. I would be hard pressed to find a linguist that would grant dialect status to the variations in spoken English not only in the United States, but even into Europe, where different words are actually used.

 

As far as "y'all" is concerned, I find it's worth accepting that as a simple abbreviation - similar to don't or won't. Not to mention, the word is fairly commonplace even in NY.

You learn something new every day!

[MomOw]

As far as you are talking about the french word or something derived from it, the closest sound is "root".

 

https://translate.go...=wT#fr/en/route

 

but if you wanna spell it as broken french i don't care, as long as you let us speak broken english

[ticklemyiguana]

As far as you are talking about the french word or something derived from it, the closest sound is "root".

 

https://translate.go...=wT#fr/en/route

 

but if you wanna spell it as broken french i don't care, as long as you let us speak broken english

heh. The fact that most of you know how to speak English as a second language forgives you of any offense. If I might prod, when did you start learning the language, if it is indeed your second language?

[DerMax]

I've only seen the root pronunciation in the dictionary. Everywhere else, no matter the dialect, I've only heard rah-oot.

 

On a similar note, many people think Adobe is pronounced a-dobe, when in fact it's a-dough-bee.

[ticklemyiguana]

 

On a similar note, many people think Adobe is pronounced a-dobe

wat is this real

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 25 January 2016 - 01:17 AM.

[crockrocket]

I use both interchangeably with no rhyme or reason

[Houruck]

I had the same debate about a year ago. Hungarians tend to pronounce is as "rooter".

[ticklemyiguana]

I had the same debate about a year ago. Hungarians tend to pronounce is as "rooter".

I still recall our conversation on shipbuilding, and one ship being the same ship or not regardless of repairs or alterations. That is interesting to know that Router, which is (correctly by our standards) pronounced "r-ow-ter" is pronounced "rooter" over there. Because my standards of linguistics typically opt for function over form, I rather wish it was the same here, but alas, "r-ow-ter" is the accepted norm here and it is consistent with our standards of pronunciation, which typically mean that the suffix "er" is pronounced separately from anything preceding it, leaving "rout" as the prefix, as opposed to "route".

 

I assume then, that the word "route" is pronounced "root" in  English speaking Hungary?

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 25 January 2016 - 01:53 AM.

[Aregon]

Nerds.

[Sp3ctrr]

Literally no Brit says R-out-er, we all say rooter, because that's how it should be pronounced you silly, silly Americans.

[n3onfx]

As Momow said route comes the french word of the exact same spelling and meaning (your ancestors didn't even bother changing a single letter :D). If you want to take the original sound of of the word into account then it's "root".

[Bergwein]

Germans pronounce it rooter, as well. (in the odd way people in non-english speaking countries tend to pronounce the english names of technical products that weren't given a seperate name in the local language; thus in this case actually being closer to the german word "Rute", which means "rod", "birch" or "tail")

[ticklemyiguana]

Literally no Brit says R-out-er, we all say rooter, because that's how it should be pronounced you silly, silly Americans.

I will happily defend our equally arbitrary standards. you all invented a silly language. We just perfected it.

[PoopSlinger]

I say it mostly like root.

[Dawn_of_Ash]

As an Aussie, I say rout. Although my family does pronounce it as root. I say rout because I've just heard it a lot of times on the internet and to me, it sounds right. Saying route as root just made me feel that the two were the same word which I hated. 

 

Another question - to you Americans and other weirdos. Do you guys seriously say aluminium as al-u-min-um instead of al-u-min-e-um? Or are they actually different things?

[Hyginos]

Another question - to you Americans and other weirdos. Do you guys seriously say aluminium as al-u-min-um instead of al-u-min-e-um? Or are they actually different things?

 

They are the same thing.

 

This is one of the few cases were you could reasonably argue that the US does it right and the rest of the world does it wrong.

[Rainbow_Sheep]

I say all-oo-min-um because it sounds cooler and it annoys my friend

[Miscellaneous]

I say all-oo-min-um because it sounds cooler and it annoys my friend

 

I say all-oo-min-um

 

all-oo-min-um

 

*TRIGGERED*

[KOS_Baconman]

rowt

[Amidatelion]

"root" 66

a "rowt"-er

en "root"

to "rowt" a package

[Hyginos]

Upon consideration, I think I use rowt as a verb and root as a noun.

[Amidatelion]

Upon consideration, I think I use rowt as a verb and root as a noun.

 

But is the path that one packet takes between networks a root or a rowt?

Edited by Amidatelion, 25 January 2016 - 09:42 AM.

[MomOw]

heh. The fact that most of you know how to speak English as a second language forgives you of any offense. If I might prod, when did you start learning the language, if it is indeed your second language?

 

It wasn't meant to be offending

[CraftyDus]

[ticklemyiguana]

It wasn't meant to be offending

!!! Offense was neither given nor received! Where is the miscommunication?

[maxajcd]

similar to grout

"I am grout"

[n3onfx]

!!! Offense was neither given nor received! Where is the miscommunication?

It's probably because of the "forgives you of any offense" part, we don't really have a similar saying in french so the meaning was lost in translation.

For Momow; it's kind of close to "vous lave de tout p�ch�", same not-serious meaning in this context :)

Edited by neon, 25 January 2016 - 04:46 PM.

[ticklemyiguana]

 

As an Aussie, I say rout. Although my family does pronounce it as root. I say rout because I've just heard it a lot of times on the internet and to me, it sounds right. Saying route as root just made me feel that the two were the same word which I hated. 

 

Another question - to you Americans and other weirdos. Do you guys seriously say aluminium as al-u-min-um instead of al-u-min-e-um? Or are they actually different things?

No. We pronounce aluminium as aluminium. However, since that word is never used, we pronounce it aluminum, since that word is used.

 

 

They are the same thing.

 

This is one of the few cases were you could reasonably argue that the US does it right and the rest of the world does it wrong.

Don't you get me started on how basically everything commonly abused by non-statesiders outside of the usage of imperial measurement for distances actually makes more sense or is more "right" than how the rest of the world does it.

 

rowt

Bad.

 

Upon consideration, I think I use rowt as a verb and root as a noun.

This is bad.

 

But is the path that one packet takes between networks a root or a rowt?

Root. Dummy.

 

 

It's probably because of the "forgives you of any offense" part, we don't really have a similar saying in french so the meaning was lost in translation.

For Momow; it's kind of close to "vous lave de tout p�ch�", same not-serious meaning in this context :)

I am really curious as to why this is the case. What I said isn't a saying or an idiom of any sort, it's just words - they don't require cultural knowledge to understand.

[n3onfx]

The context is a clue in this case as to if "offense" is meant seriously or not. "it's just words" would lend to them being taken seriously. Different languages have different ways to get those clues.

 

For example there's a lot less "multi-function" words in french than in english, in english you'll often see a word that can have an entirely different meaning depending on the sentence and context. French has more "single-use" words that mean one specific thing. Taking that into account some things which seem evident and "just words" to one language isn't as clear-cut for the other language.

Edited by neon, 26 January 2016 - 04:57 AM.

[Hyginos]

Did tickle just ask our opinion on something then tell us we're wrong?

[Amidatelion]

Did tickle just ask our opinion on something then tell us we're wrong?

 

No, he asked how people pronounced it for the purposes of attempting to make fun of people employing the dynamism of the English language.