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[XFXFuryX]

I mean idk too much about b1tchslapped, profile is hidden so we can't do analysis, care to unhide it

 

Never played with him. You think he visits this forum? Send him a message and ask him to do what you want.

[Silverfire]

Never played with him. You think he visits this forum? Send him a message and ask him to do what you want.

 

I just figured you knew her because you mentioned callsign by name, idk

[M1lkshake]

Hawken has a tiny community, MMR is kill, there are no good metrics for comparison, people ignore ping as if it doesn't play an enormous role, etc. etc. etc.
This thread is worthless, and that's not my insecurity speaking. The only time I'm insecure is when I don't have a hair tie and it's windy and I can't stop my hair from looking like the photoshop job of an eagle on Nicholas Cage's head.

 

Arguably wrong. 

[CoshCaust]

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you shouldn't stymie conversations people are interested in having. The only poor-quality posts within this thread stem from supposedly disinterested parties.

Hawken has a small, highly-skilled community - as remains the case with most (Arguably ALL) arena shooters. There are plenty of comparison metrics, including three seasons of competitive play and numerous cups; and I don't think anyone discounts ping issues (as they've been mentioned in most replies).

I don't mean to stymie any well-intended discussion at all, and wouldn't consider my input poor-quality. The point of my post is to reassure those concerned and remind those participating, that the discussions happening here don't really have a lot of weight, based on what I said about validity. That's not to say I don't feel this way: "Hey have at it, you love Hawken and competition, so eat your heart out talking about competitive Hawken."

As for validity:
Given enough thorough examination, it's as obvious as Hawken's health is low that the discussions happening here are as conclusive as a middle school science paper
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I'm on mobile
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Me not going to try and lay everything out.
Shrugging will intensify at claims of me copping out.

[M1lkshake]

I don't mean to stymie any well-intended discussion at all, and wouldn't consider my input poor-quality. The point of my post is to reassure those concerned and remind those participating, that the discussions happening here don't really have a lot of weight, based on what I said about validity. 

These two statements are contradictory. By claiming none of the discussion here has any weight, you are attempting to reduce or stop the amount of discussion in this thread. You started your argument by saying this thread is worthless. If you're hanging on the keyword, "well-intended", I think most of the people who have posted so far have had good intentions - or at least tried to contribute to the conversation.

[TheButtSatisfier]

I'm so proud of us that this hasn't devolved into a total shitstorm. It's been polite, rather objective, and unexpectedly impersonal.

 

DON'T RUIN IT, EVEN IF YOU THINK THIS THREAD LACKS UTILITY.

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 06 August 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[CoshCaust]

These two statements are contradictory. By claiming none of the discussion here has any weight, you are attempting to reduce or stop the amount of discussion in this thread. You started your argument by saying this thread is worthless. If you're hanging on the keyword, "well-intended", I think most of the people who have posted so far have had good intentions - or at least tried to contribute to the conversation.

I sincerely disagree; I don't find those two to be contradictory at all. I'm not trying to reduce or stop conversation. I already stated that I want to ease minds and warn against taking things seriously.
TheButtSatisfier used an apt phrase [in reference to this thread] for how I feel- 'lacks utility'. Maybe that comes off less emotionally-charged than 'worthless'. In any case, both are referring to the fact that I feel this thread has little value apart from casual banter / small talk designed for those obsessed with Hawken/competition.

Edited by CoshCaust, 06 August 2016 - 01:49 PM.

[DerMax]

I sincerely disagree; I don't find those two to be contradictory at all. I'm not trying to reduce or stop conversation. I already stated that I want to ease minds and warn against taking things seriously.
TheButtSatisfier used an apt phrase [in reference to this thread] for how I feel- 'lacks utility'. Maybe that comes off less emotionally-charged than 'worthless'. In any case, both are referring to the fact that I feel this thread has little value apart from casual banter / small talk designed for those obsessed with Hawken/competition.

I don't understand your point. 99.99% of all the threads that have been created on the Hawken forums had exactly zero utility. Should we post nothing then?

[CoshCaust]

I don't understand your point. 99.99% of all the threads that have been created on the Hawken forums had exactly zero utility. Should we post nothing then?

*machinations of absent developers transforming into deaf ones and a prized and beloved piece of a community's shared heart rotting away whirl in my head*

...probably

:(

Edited by CoshCaust, 06 August 2016 - 02:28 PM.

[crockrocket]

Just sounds like this to me.


Not to mention I can think of a whole handful of players that have come along and B1tchSlapped every person on that list lol

I think they are just trying to point out who is in the "Good Ol Boys" club and who the moderators should give lenience to.

Nice b8

[M1lkshake]

For what it's worth, here is my list. These are my observations from leading a team for three seasons of competitive play, and hosting every 3vs3 TPG cup. The people listed here are the ones that would make me feel cautious whenever I went up against them, or left a strong impression, so I wouldn't consider this list comprehensive.

 

A-Class

 

Berserker: Iaredave, Omnistone

• A lot of people like to say Berzerker was just a �press f to win� mech, but its squishy-ness required positioning and timing skills most players never had. Dave was arguably a monster in competitive play, and stone was about the same when he played it in seasons before dave. They had a knack of having the best timing, popping up behind my team and crippling a push or defensive hold. Very annoying.

Infiltrator: None

• I know people who played infiltrator in competitive play, but I can't bring to mind anybody who made a significant difference, in a team or as an individual, as an infiltrator. I specifically forbade anybody on my team from trying to play this mech in competition for this reason. Anybody that might qualify as a good infiltrator could do much more good in another mech.

Reaper: Devotion, Nept, cond0m

• Devotion played reaper a lot more often than Nept, which gives him priority here, but because SS transfers over very easily to reaper, I could see Nept jumping into reaper and posing an equal threat. Cond0m followed very closely.

• I saw many reapers in competitive play. None of them had the same accuracy/positioning as these three. Some people tried to run the SS/reaper combo on Frontline, but the reaper usually held the team back. Omni's attempt at this shut my team down and forced them back into the spawn. The Mustangs would have tried to repeat this on other teams in Season 4, if it had happened (with cond0m on SS and Devo on reaper). But since season 4 never came, there's no way to know if it would have worked.

Scout: Iaredave, Hestoned, cond0m, Nept, Clusterbombman

• I always had problems running against the top three here. Nept almost never played scout, but I distinctly remember the times he did. Cluster worried me on the battlefield as well.

Technician: 7r1p, Climatic

• I only played one season where people played techs seriously � the ones that make the list had great synergy and positioning, and very annoying accuracy with the redox.

 

 

B-Class

 

Assault: Iaredave, Xacius, Omnistone, Darktim

• Honestly, the top two are tied here. I saw dave play a lot more assault more recently than xacius, but from my perspective the results were always the same. Stone's sustain skill from berzerker transferred over well, or perhaps vice versa? I don't know what he played first. Tim played an unreal amount of time on assault.

Bruiser: None

• Nobody who played bruiser in competition or otherwise caught my eye.

G2-Assault: None

• Nobody who played G2-Assault in competition or otherwise caught my eye.

Predator: Dew, Cond0m

• Few people who played predator made a difference in any game. I remember playing SASC once on wreckage where Dew shut down a lot of pushes we made on S2, and in most public games I felt threatened by Dew as a predator. I was considering running a predator in future wreckage games (cond0m) for the Mustangs, but never got the chance.

Raider: Devotion, 7r1p, Monotones, Clusterbombman/Hyginos/LoC_TR

• Devo had an unparalleled accuracy that carried over from SS/reaper. 7r1p came very close when he did play. Monotones was a natural at raider, but ended up not sticking with the game (and was much better than most of the Mustangs at that point and time, so was kind of cursed by us) (sorry Monotones). The rest I honestly can't put on a spectrum above or below each other. I didn't get enough opportunity to see them very often.

Sharpshooter: Nept, Devotion, Jeffmagnum, cond0m, THETOEMASHER

• There's always a lot of contention over who the best sharpshooters in Hawken are, maybe because it is the least forgiving in terms of aim, and therefore one of the most difficult mechs to play. Nept would not play the game for months, jump in for a few hours, and be back at top competitive-level ability. At his best he never missed, or missed rarely. On top of this, he held greater threat to any player in close-quarters combat than any other sharpshooter. Devotion comes at a very close second, from my perspective almost indistinguishably. Jeff I only saw in public games, but had some of the most shockingly accurate SS gameplay I've felt from any pubber, and I'd have liked to see him in competition. Cond0m, who played with the Mustangs for a few months, could always be relied on to shut down any other sniper in competitive play except for the first two.

• Toemasher gets an honorable mention here because I threw him on SS in season one when we had nobody else and he volunteered. After two seasons of hard work he became one of the most noticeably improved players on the team. Unlike other practicing SS players, Toe put considerable time into practicing his close-quarters combat, and was one of the most aggressive SS players I've seen (although sometimes to a fault, as this would get him killed).

 

 

C Class

 

Brawler: Omnistone, TheButtSatisfier, Counterlogicman

• Stone almost never missed an SA Hawkens shot, and his flak gameplay was very similar. His synergy with hestoned's grenadier play on wreckage was worth the watch. ButtSatisfier only picked up brawler recently, but to my great jealousy became very good in a short period of time, and arguably better than me (despite having mained it throughout season 3). Counter's flak play always posed a considerable threat as well.

Grenadier: hestoned, Darktim, Meraple

• Hestoned could shut down offensive pushes and zone people like nobody else. I never saw anybody attempt anything similar and have the same results � especially not with the rev-gl. Tim put almost as much time into gren as assault, and was very scary as a result. Meraple actually played with the Mustangs for a single scrim, and tried out for the team, years ago. I remember him as a strong player (even with a ping disadvantage), and I enjoyed watching him play in one of TPG's more recent cups.

G2-Raider: Nobody who played G2-Raider in competition or otherwise caught my eye

Incinerator: Leonhardt, Devotion

• Leonhardt was one of the first incins I saw in season one that showed remarkable accuracy with mid-air fireballs. Not many people played Incin after it switched to MA for comp, but I saw Devo play incin once or twice.

Rocketeer: Nobody who played Rocketeer in competition or otherwise caught my eye.

Vanguard: Devotion, Leonhardt, Chitman/Recyclops

• Devotion was arguably one of the best vanguards I saw, particularly with miniflak, and always positioned himself well. Leon was pretty similar in this regard, but I saw him on vanguard much less. Chitman was always a distinctive vanguard player, and his positioning got me for the better more than once. fuzzy bunny you, chitman.

 

In conclusion, I think it's important to consider that I made this list purely from my own experience and point of view, however limited. It's true that I spent most of my time playing with or against Omni or the Mustangs, so that's where most of my experience lies. Interpret that however you want.

[ArchMech]

Infiltrator: None

• 
  I know people who played infiltrator in competitive play, but I can't bring to mind anybody who made a significant difference, in a team or as an individual, as an infiltrator. I specifically forbade anybody on my team from trying to play this mech in competition for this reason. Anybody that might qualify as a good infiltrator could do much more good in another mech. 

In conclusion, I think it's important to consider that I made this list purely from my own experience and point of view, however limited. 

 These are my observations from leading a team for three seasons of competitive play, and hosting every 3vs3 TPG cup.

is limited

Edited by ArchMech, 06 August 2016 - 04:47 PM.

[Hyginos]

 

 

Infiltrator: None

• I know people who played infiltrator in competitive play, but I can't bring to mind anybody who made a significant difference, in a team or as an individual, as an infiltrator. I specifically forbade anybody on my team from trying to play this mech in competition for this reason. Anybody that might qualify as a good infiltrator could do much more good in another mech. 

In conclusion, I think it's important to consider that I made this list purely from my own experience and point of view, however limited. 

 

 

I'm going to leave this post here while I debate whether to sarcastically encourage you to report him for calling you out or just type REKT in really big letters.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

I'm actually really surprised that nobody has put xiphos27 on there list at all for arguably in the reaper section or merl for scout considering his ping issues. Another mention I would add again because of ping issues but is still a good player is -TJ.

[ArchMech]

I'm going to leave this post here while I debate whether to sarcastically encourage you to report him for calling you out or just type REKT in really big letters.

i cant tell in which direction either of those choice is aimed...

[devotion]

I'm actually really surprised that nobody has put xiphos27 on there list at all for arguably in the reaper section or merl for scout considering his ping issues. Another mention I would add again because of ping issues but is still a good player is -TJ.

i think xiphos's main qualification is on assault, which is a particularly difficult class to place into for top 5. the precedence for making the na cut is set by dave and xacius, who also incidentally took positions 1 and 2 on the leaderboard.

 

merl faces similar tough competition for scout, i think.

[M1lkshake]

i think xiphos's main qualification is on assault, which is a particularly difficult class to place into for top 5. the precedence for making the na cut is set by dave and xacius, who also incidentally took positions 1 and 2 on the leaderboard.

 

merl faces similar tough competition for scout, i think.

I remember xiphos as a big threat, I just couldn't remember what mech he played. Same thing for brigantine.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

i think xiphos's main qualification is on assault, which is a particularly difficult class to place into for top 5. the precedence for making the na cut is set by dave and xacius, who also incidentally took positions 1 and 2 on the leaderboard.

 

merl faces similar tough competition for scout, i think.

give merl 30-50 ping though instead 120+ and where would place him. imagine

[HOHOHOSANTA]

I remember xiphos as a big threat, I just couldn't remember what mech he played. Same thing for brigantine.

Brig actually plays a really good brawler and he also plays Infil

[DemitronPrime]

give merl 30-50 ping though instead 120+ and where would place him. imagine

 Give me > 100

 

nuff said

[Xacius]

give merl 30-50 ping though instead 120+ and where would place him. imagine

Depends.  From what I've seen of his recordings, his mouse control is relatively poor.  Granted, that can improve in time, but currently it'd be tough to say.  He'd certainly be more formidable with less ping, but would it be enough to route out Dave or hestoned?  Likely not.  

 

I don't mean to stymie any well-intended discussion at all, and wouldn't consider my input poor-quality. The point of my post is to reassure those concerned and remind those participating, that the discussions happening here don't really have a lot of weight, based on what I said about validity. That's not to say I don't feel this way: "Hey have at it, you love Hawken and competition, so eat your heart out talking about competitive Hawken."

As for validity:
Given enough thorough examination, it's as obvious as Hawken's health is low that the discussions happening here are as conclusive as a middle school science paper
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I'm on mobile
=
Me not going to try and lay everything out.
Shrugging will intensify at claims of me copping out.

Hawken isn't doing well, number-wise, so you're asserting that this thread is meaningless?  How does a game's current "health" invalidate player opinions of its participants throughout a 3-year time period?  

Edited by Xacius, 06 August 2016 - 11:21 PM.

[dorobo]

Is there stats for switching teams somewhere on these app things u talk about?

 

[CoshCaust]

Hawken isn't doing well, number-wise, so you're asserting that this thread is meaningless? How does a game's current "health" invalidate player opinions of its participants throughout a 3-year time period?

It doesn't. A wealth of other things does.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

It doesn't. A wealth of other things does.

Wouldn't you say this is a respectful way to see who has been noticed through hard work and time? Although its a game, we all been playing for so long. We pretty much all know each other by now. 

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

 we all been playing for so long. We pretty much all know each other by now. 

 

You and I were just playing in our mains for the first time in (edit) two years or so.

Edited by Call_Me_Ishmael, 07 August 2016 - 02:08 PM.

[crockrocket]

This thread isn't a circlejerk. It's not just a bunch of self serving bs as I've seen suggested. Personally, I've found the thread to be pretty insightful.

This thread gives a glimpse at what the top players in the game think. At the higher echelons of play some of the differences in skill are pretty minute, and I thought it was interesting to see opinions on what gives a pilot that little edge over the competition. These are also good skill metrics for anyone who wants improvement to compare themselves to.

Jeff I liked seeing your perspective as a top player outside of TPG. Also, I was surprised that I had never heard of balweo. Sounds like the dude plays a mean bruiser. It's rare to see bruiser played to its full potential since no one puts the playtime into sh!t mechs like that.

I was somewhat surprised not to see camic up there on someone's list, I always thought he played a mean a class

[hestoned]

comicsans best G2 assault earth

[DemitronPrime]

Never played with him. You think he visits this forum? Send him a message and ask him to do what you want.

 

Pretty hard to play against  your own account i guess...

 

But ok

Edited by DemitronPrime, 07 August 2016 - 05:20 PM.

[DemitronPrime]

I will byte into this and share MY opinion on this "leader board"

 

keeping in mind, this is ONLY my opinion consisting of players i have played against

 

A-Class

 

Zerk = the spacebar... its the only player that wins here

 

Infil = Rad01 HoloGram, _inci

Rad01 = has been playing since i can remember... his infil always has me on my toes

H0l0gram = purely solid infil play,

_inci = dude... how? lol

 

Scout = Coldform, 

You may think thats strange... but cold's scout always gets me spinning in circles and even when i think i close, he somehow nails me...

 

Tech =  Arkk, RedRonin,

Both players are astoundingly great pocket techs in my opinion

 

Reaper = Hoho, Cond0m, Crafty

Hoho... nuff said

Cond0m.. I havent played with him in awhile but i always remember him tapping me at the perfect time to mess up my flow or plans

Crafty is kinda like that fly that just wont leave you alone when your tryna sleep in in late summer

 

B Class

 

Raider = Woods13

just soo good man

 

Assalt = Null n Void

 

g2 Assalt = Starsinsky

His ability to yolo charge in the g2 assalt and make it work commands a level of respect

 

Bruiser = Null n Void

 

Sharpie = HoHo, Woods13

Both of them ... just great

 

Pred = Ashukahn, Jomura

Both embody the sneaky backstabbing gameplay that makes preds annoying in anymatch

 

C Class

 

Brawler = Cluster, Odin

Both scare me... alot

 

Vanguard = Willy, Amid

Willy the wall.. tank of tanks...

Amid was a delight to tech for on the few occasions i played with him

 

Gren = Coldform, Dermax

The gren pilots i strive to be like

 

g2 Raider = Onstrava, pd22 Edit :: jelooboi Also of cause (sorry i misplaced your name man )

Both have been an inspiration to me

Jelooboi always makes me nervous too lol

 

Incin = Hammockman

Im not a huge fan of the spray n pray mech but hammock does it well...

 

Cockateer = Heartbreaker, _Shade

I despise this mech.. even more so when heartbreaker uses it

_Shades Eoc Cockateer deserves mention

 

kk? Done? thanks?

 

I have the feeling i have forgotton people for some reason but these are the ones that really jumped out at me

Edited by DemitronPrime, 08 August 2016 - 01:16 AM.

[IareDave]

Dave agrees with that assessment, but you're obviously both bad and wrong.

 

IareDave: i agree with all but assault
IareDave: my assualt eventually became my go-to after you guys all left hawken, primarily because i was forced to smurf to play and i made new accounts on the regular
IareDave: i didnt play it much comp so i know xacius has me on that
Nept: I don't think you're the weaker assault re: 1v1
IareDave: yeah
Nept: and given your dueling practice, you'd probably win out over them for a couple weeks, anyway
Nept: but xacius and stone both had a ton of xp playing it comp for us
IareDave: right
Nept: whereas you had like
Nept: 5-6 matches
Nept: so that's where I'm coming from
IareDave: i gotchu
 

I'd also like to point out that despite my confidence with Assault I don't think there's a clear cut winner between me and Xacius at our prime. Last time we dueled I had a clear edge in the arena but that's because I was more active towards the end of Omni's time in Hawken than most of our team and 1v1 test arena mlg fests we're a common past-time for me and a few other high-tier players who still played the game at that time.

[crockrocket]

I will byte into this and share MY opinion on this "leader board"

 

keeping in mind, this is ONLY my opinion consisting of players i have played against

 

A-Class

 

Zerk = the spacebar... its the only player that wins here

 

Infil = Rad01 HoloGram, _inci

Rad01 = has been playing since i can remember... his infil always has me on my toes

H0l0gram = purely solid infil play,

_inci = dude... how? lol

 

Scout = Coldform, 

You may think thats strange... but cold's scout always gets me spinning in circles and even when i think i close, he somehow nails me...

 

Tech =  Arkk, RedRonin,

Both players are astoundingly great pocket techs in my opinion

 

Reaper = Hoho, Cond0m, Crafty

Hoho... nuff said

Cond0m.. I havent played with him in awhile but i always remember him tapping me at the perfect time to mess up my flow or plans

Crafty is kinda like that fly that just wont leave you alone when your tryna sleep in in late summer

 

B Class

 

Raider = Woods13

just soo good man

 

Assalt = Null n Void

 

g2 Assalt = Starsinsky

His ability to yolo charge in the g2 assalt and make it work commands a level of respect

 

Bruiser = Null n Void

 

Sharpie = HoHo, Woods13

Both of them ... just great

 

Pred = Ashukahn, Jomura

Both embody the sneaky backstabbing gameplay that makes preds annoying in anymatch

 

C Class

 

Brawler = Cluster, Odin

Both scare me... alot

 

Vanguard = Willy, Amid

Willy the wall.. tank of tanks...

Amid was a delight to tech for on the few occasions i played with him

 

Gren = Coldform, Dermax

The gren pilots i strive to be like

 

g2 Raider = Onstrava, pd22

Both have been an inspiration to me

 

Incin = Hammockman

Im not a huge fan of the spray n pray mech but hammock does it well...

 

Cockateer = Heartbreaker, _Shade

I despise this mech.. even more so when heartbreaker uses it

_Shades Eoc Cockateer deserves mention

 

kk? Done? thanks?

 

I have the feeling i have forgotton people for some reason but these are the ones that really jumped out at me

 

Actually I really appreciate this list, it's very interesting to see who different people do (and don't) run into. Honestly I'd be interested in seeing some more opinions like this from various mmr's; it's really interesting to see who plays with who.

[PD22]

Thank you Demi, so nice of you to say so.  I owe a debt of gratitude to Jelooboi for sharing his insight when I had only a few G2 engine hours.  I now have about 220, with most of that time spent building upon things I learned from our conversations.  

Edited by PD22, 08 August 2016 - 01:54 AM.

[DemitronPrime]

Oh Of cause... i knew i forgot some one!! lol Jelooboi is great, imma edit him in there now too :P

 

and its no problem man, honestly :)

[HOHOHOSANTA]

Eth0 is an underrated G2Raider player. Incitatus is another underrated player when it comes to Infiltrator. Not sure if people ever played Rei but he was a good sharpie aswell. Also if I was to make a zerk list I'd put a player named JokerKrush back when I first started he was pretty good lol.

There's plenty of players that catch my eye. TurquoiseTortise is another one under the Raider category.

And although is he no longer with us R.I.P Bkcat1 was a very great player who deservingly should be on everyone's list in brawler/Vanguard

[JeffMagnum]

I was somewhat surprised not to see camic up there on someone's list, I always thought he played a mean a class

The reason he and a few other very good players who've meen mentioned didn't show up, at least on the lists from people who played with them regularly, is because competition for the top five in each mech is extremely stiff with the same handful of players consistently appearing. For instance, my list was built under the assumption that cond0m, Xacius, and myself would be taking 3/5 of the slots for essentially everything. Dave, devotion, Nept, hestoned, CBM, and OmniStone are there frequently too but more so in mechs they specialize in. The list from any high-MMR player in TPG is going to skew heavily toward people in Omni to the exclusion of almost everyone else because of that team's dominance in the league. If the thread would've asked for the top 10 in each mech instead of the top 5 I think there would've been far more diversity.

[DallasCreeper]

 If the thread would've asked for the top 10 in each mech instead of the top 5 I think there would've been far more diversity.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[HOHOHOSANTA]

put top 10 then lol. id like to see more names up there on your perspective of ''who'' the other 5 would be. very interested

[DemitronPrime]

the more i sit and think about it... the more i think of people i have missed or forgotten at the time of writing my little list that I ddint even really wanna do... becasue honestly...

 

your all pretty fn awesome and i dont like making people feel like I hold anyone in higher regard than some one else... unless of cause they are one of those hacks/pubstars or just a tosser in general...

 

I do agree here though...

 

i mean in the end this is just another run at odin's " top 10 most influential players " under a slightly different guise...

 

I felt kinda bad for saying it was a circle of reach arounds so i played along but as i said... the more i think on it the more i regret it...

[JeffMagnum]

This isn't the same as Merl's thread at all actually. His was based almost entirely on opinion since influence is harder to quantify than skill and is a lot more prone to personal bias--it's at least possible to try to rank people based on skill objectively as algorithms like MMR or ELO do. MMR is imperfect (especially with the existence of TPG, as individual Omni members all have their MMRs artificially inflated due to their team never losing) and doesn't take into account that someone might be very good at one mech powerful in the current meta while being weak at off-meta ones or vice versa. For example, Balweo in Bruiser would never get to a top-five MMR slot if all the high MMR players were active and played against each other regularly in nothing but DMs, but Dave running Assault or Zerker exclusively would almost definitely end up in the first or second position. That's where I think lists like these can be informative.

And while top 10 lists would be more insightful, they would also take a lot more time especially since the choices aren't as immediately obvious.

Edited by JeffMagnum, 08 August 2016 - 07:39 AM.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

This isn't the same as Merl's thread at all actually. His was based almost entirely on opinion since influence is harder to quantify than skill and is a lot more prone to personal bias--it's at least possible to try to rank people based on skill objectively as algorithms like MMR or ELO do. MMR is imperfect (especially with the existence of TPG, as individual Omni members all have their MMRs artificially inflated due to their team never losing) and doesn't take into account that someone might be very good at one mech powerful in the current meta while being weak at off-meta ones or vice versa. For example, Balweo in Bruiser would never get to a top-five MMR slot if all the high MMR players were active and played against each other regularly in nothing but DMs, but Dave running Assault or Zerker exclusively would almost definitely end up in the first or second position. That's where I think lists like these can be informative.

And while top 10 lists would be more insightful, they would also take a lot more time especially since the choices aren't as immediately obvious.

am I on your top ten :D?!