231 replies to this topic

[LaurenEmily]

So much hate D: why..

Nothing personal. I just dislike lists like the one in this thread a lot for some reason

[HOHOHOSANTA]

Spacebar is hard.

most difficult button to press during game, highly unnoticeable on keyboard do to its lack of label compared to every other key on it 

[Shade__]

most difficult button to press during game, highly unnoticeable on keyboard do to its lack of label compared to every other key on it 

send-help-i-can't-find-mine.

[coldform]

send-help-i-can't-find-mine.

Lol no wndr ask ur mom git gud lolwutrekt

Edited by coldform, 04 August 2016 - 04:02 PM.

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Lol no wndr ask ur mom git gud lolwutrekt

Reported.

[coldform]

Reported.

I reported ur mom

[CraftyDus]

I'd like to see an EU player make a similar list - even if it's rather short because of the limited EU population - just so I could see what mechs they tend to gravitate towards.

 

EU pub population is way more active than US. Most mid week mornings in US theres a bunch of full EU servers, whereas US might have 1-3 or none at all.

I play EU everyday. More going on.

But ya, if you are EU player and are wondering where the top EU players in each mech are in this thread.

That's because you haven't posted one yet.

Do it.

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I reported ur mom

 

"Mom" jokes got me cool points.  Don't make me tattle.

[Nept]

I've made my selections from a competitive play perspective. Ignoring coordination issues, these are the players I'd select for my roster � from first to fifth. Mechs where fewer than five players are indicated demonstrate either a lack of competitive viability, a lack of appropriately-skilled players, and/or my lack of experience with that mech and its proponents.

 

Now, before anyone gets all RARWAWARRRGLBBBBLLAAARGL, remember that a) these are my personal selections (although I've run them past both Xacius and devotion for feedback); b) I'm prioritizing match-scenario play, not protracted test-arena duels; c) my experience extends well past that of many current players' (some don't even remember Leonhardt, for example); and d) I've spent significant time with most players on this list, so I'm aware of their capabilities beyond what buddy might gather through a handful of pubs.

 

*Edited with links to mech profiles

 

A-Class

 

Berserker: OmniStone; IareDave; JeffMagnum; Xacius

• Stone played primarily Berserker, Assault, and Brawler through Seasons 1 and 2 before switching exclusively to Brawler. (He didn't want to bother practicing more than one mech, and IareDave played primarily A's). Assuming he's in top form, he's my first or second choice for most sustain-based mechs. Dave didn't play tons of Berserker, but typically had a strong showing. And I don't know that Jeff's a stronger 1v1 Berserker than Xacius, but he does have significantly more experience with the mech.

Infiltrator: Nept (West); Xacius; IareDave; Leonhardt; cond0m

• I trust my low-ping self most with this mech � especially when it comes to landing direct Heat and EOC shots. Xacius has a lot of experience with Infiltrator, and so does cond0m. I trust Leonhardt's direct shots more than I would Dave's or cond0m's, but Dave has more Infiltrator time.

• Without West-Coast servers, I'd remove myself and place devotion on the list.

Reaper: devotion; Nept; Climatic; cond0m; JeffMagnum

• This list mirrors my Sharpshooter selections, albeit with some experience-based positional swaps and the inclusion of Climatic. Honestly, any high-tier Sharpshooter should transfer well to the easier Reaper (unscoped KE-Sabot accuracy is significantly higher than its bigger brother; mech has much more mobility).

Scout: IareDave; Nept (West); OmniStone; Leonhardt; hestoned

• Again, I most trust my low-ping self with direct shots, but Dave has considerably more match experience. Hestoned would likely lose test-arena duels to the players mentioned below, but has very strong map presence in matches.

• Without West-Coast servers, I'd remove myself and include Xacius, Clusterbombman or cond0m.

Technician: Climatic; Furymonster; 7r1p

• These are the only players who've had strong comp showings with the tech � or at least the only ones that I've witnessed. Blahblahblah, tech bad, etc., but it takes a fair amount of situational awareness to play one effectively against strong teams.

 

 

B-Class

 

Assault: Xacius; OmniStone; IareDave; devotion; Darktim300

• Bread and butter comp mech. Xacius and Stone have considerably more map presence and stronger positioning than the other players on this list.

Bruiser: Balweo

• Balweo's positioning was incredibly strong � better than what I've seen from anyone else, regardless of mech. Had he not been playing from Japan with a 170-180 ping, I would've attempted to recruit him.

G2-Assault: Anyone with strong trace. Myself, Xacius, Stone, devo, JeffMagnum, etc. Wouldn't really consider running this mech on most maps, though, given its atrocious cornering.

 

Predator: Xacius; cond0m; JeffMagnum

• Not frequently used during competitive play � especially not against alert, communicative teams. Very strong dueling mech, assuming you've plenty of time. If I had to run this mech, I'd prefer one of these three players.

Raider: devotion; Clusterbombman; Hyginos

• Frequently used during competitive play, but also frequently demolished. I get the feeling that pilots feel a lot safer while blitzing than they actually are. Trust devo most with direct shots and positioning, so he's first choice.

Sharpshooter: Nept; devotion; JeffMagnum; cond0m

• These are the four Sharpshooters I'd actually run. If they weren't available, I would probably run another mech. Most players underestimate the importance of CQC and mid-range efficacy, and I don't feel anyone outside these four hits quickly and consistently enough to defend themselves against top-tier players. The other difference between pub-play and comp-play SS is the ranged target acquisition time (or lack thereof).

 

 

C Class

 

Brawler: OmniStone; devotion; cond0m; TheButtSatisfier; Daronicus

• Stone's Brawler has been the cornerstone of many Omni victories. He's very strong with both Flak and SA-Hawkins, giving him great adaptability. Devotion's similarly strong, but has less experience in competitive situations. I wouldn't rank cond0m quite as highly, but he's a very solid player with lots of experience. Butt gets a mention due to his quick mastery of the mech.

Grenadier: hestoned; Darktim300 (Vulcan)

• hestoned's the only player I'd trust with the rev-gl in comp scenarios. Head and shoulders above the rest, imo. Darktim brings his trace and positioning skills into the role when he's using the Vulcan.

G2-Raider: Clusterbombman

• As per devotion's suggestion. Haven't seen much of this mech or its pilots.

Incinerator: Leonhardt; Xacius; devotion

• For all the �Incinerator's OP� claims, these are the only players I'd trust with the mech. If you can't land direct Saare shots against air-dodging targets, you're going to run into trouble.

Rocketeer: hestoned

• hestoned actually played a ton of Rocketeer. For some reason. Trust his Hellfires, Heatcannon, and positioning more than I would other Rocketeer players. Wouldn't run this mech after its air movement nerf, though.

Vanguard: devotion; Leonhardt; IareDave

• Unique amongst the C's, the Vanguard plays like a heavy B. Thanks to this mech, their reaction times, and their trace, Devotion and Leonhardt have managed some impressive holds through EMP spam. Dave's similarly skilled, but doesn't quite possess their defensive positioning.

Edited by Nept, 05 August 2016 - 02:09 PM.

[DerMax]

Nept, where's Mexi and Tuns, ya goof? And then Dew and Daron are good enough.

[Nept]

Nept, where's Mexi and Tuns, ya goof? And then Dew and Daron are good enough.

 

Honestly, I don't think Mexi was anywhere near Balweo.  Tuns was decent, but his positioning and aim weren't top-tier.  Dew and Daron were good players, but I wouldn't list them as my top choices.  Maaaybe Dew for Pred, given how frequently he played it, but I don't think he'd fare well against the listed players.

 

*Edit* You know what, I will put Daronicus on the Brawler spot.

Edited by Nept, 05 August 2016 - 01:14 PM.

[DerMax]

Honestly, I don't think Mexi was anywhere near Balweo.  Tuns was decent, but his positioning and aim weren't top-tier.  Dew and Daron were good players, but I wouldn't list them as my top choices.  Maaaybe Dew for Pred, given how frequently he played it, but I don't think he'd fare well against the listed players.

 

*Edit* You know what, I will put Daronicus on the Brawler spot.

But then you don't have preds on your team, which I think is a big shortcoming. My dream team's got one, and I already got dibs on him xD

[Hyginos]

I think I would put Loc_TR and/or Thirdeye up for Raider.

[CounterlogicMan]

[HOHOHOSANTA]

Crafty not on Nepts list? he must be raging

[Silverfire]

no mention of scary good playtesters in nept's leaderboard

 

obviously fake

[TheButtSatisfier]

EU pub population is way more active than US. Most mid week mornings in US theres a bunch of full EU servers, whereas US might have 1-3 or none at all.

I play EU everyday. More going on.

 

Damn, I take back my earlier assumption. That's wild. I thought just based on country population alone that we'd have more players.

[DingdongJR]

Damn, I take back my earlier assumption. That's wild. I thought just based on country population alone that we'd have more players.

 

 

Well, even then the Pool of players is still ridiculously small. Almost no one plays Siege and when they do it's the same people. 

Edited by DingdongJR, 05 August 2016 - 11:58 PM.

[Xacius]

Crafty not on Nepts list? he must be raging

Nept's list represents players that'd be optimal in their given roles.  Crafy, while an experienced player, isn't particularly exceptional.  He yolodives far too often, even in competitive matches, and generally has poor positioning.  I'd say his accuracy is alright, but his decision-making and gameplay is overall average.  

 

The only thing I'd change on Nept's list is the order of Assault.  I think Dave is better than Stone.  In terms of comp experience, I have a fair deal more in the Assault role for omni.  Granted, that's not to say that Dave wouldn't be as good or better in time, but as it stands I think I have the edge there.  

[Nept]

Dave agrees with that assessment, but you're obviously both bad and wrong.

 

IareDave: i agree with all but assault
IareDave: my assualt eventually became my go-to after you guys all left hawken, primarily because i was forced to smurf to play and i made new accounts on the regular
IareDave: i didnt play it much comp so i know xacius has me on that
Nept: I don't think you're the weaker assault re: 1v1
IareDave: yeah
Nept: and given your dueling practice, you'd probably win out over them for a couple weeks, anyway
Nept: but xacius and stone both had a ton of xp playing it comp for us
IareDave: right
Nept: whereas you had like
Nept: 5-6 matches
Nept: so that's where I'm coming from
IareDave: i gotchu
 

Edited by Nept, 06 August 2016 - 12:57 AM.

[CounterlogicMan]

 

Had to.

 

 

XD

 

But seriously is this what happens when the leader board shuts down?

Edited by CounterlogicMan, 06 August 2016 - 02:08 AM.

[Shade__]

But seriously is this what happens when the leader board shuts down?

Yes.

[Nept]

I suppose it depends on how you perceive these sorts of threads.  Personally, I find them interesting - and I'd rather give an honest account than hop on the "these threads are horrible and everyone giving their opinion is horrible" bandwagon.

 

Every gaming community I've experienced - Heavy Gear, Unreal Tournament, Tribes, Legions, U2XMP, Planetside, T:WFC, Battlefield, Hawken - has had comparison threads.  And I always encounter three types of responses:

1. People who post and (politely) debate their opinion.
2. People who become angry and offended because someone's opinions and experiences don't match their own.
3. People who immediately declare that comparison threads are awful/worthless/circlejerks.

Responses 2 and 3 occur largely because people don't like discovering what others think about their skill levels.  Remember, though, that you needn't become offended by opinions.  That's a decision that you make, consciously or no.  If someone's assessments don't match your experiences, fine, whatever - debate them and move on.  Nobody's been bashing other players or forcing people to participate.

Edited by Nept, 06 August 2016 - 02:47 AM.

[LaurenEmily]

Just so you know i rated this thread 1 star and im considering reporting it as spam too. Because i can

[DemitronPrime]

right so...

 

i honestly just see a heap of the best players giving each other reach arounds...

 

really this is kinda bad...

 

BUT I would also like to point out ::

 

NONE!! of the people you listed play against each other with  a 200 ping,

On a weekly basis i play with MANY of the people ON that list and MORE of the players that were "forgotten"

 

example : Infiltrator, Pred, Gren, g2r and tech...

 

not that i give a flying superman about being left off the list tbh but seriously maybe some people should look at what makes a good player?

 

i mean honestly...

 

this thread is trigger bait or a mutual fap corner... you chose

Edited by DemitronPrime, 06 August 2016 - 04:30 AM.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

The thread is made to view others in your personal preference, this is not based off one persons list. It's basically your opinion about the game from the time you been here until now, on who you think best fits the description per mech. There is no bashing, there are opinions. No one should be offended.

 

Upon further review with the herokuapp leaderboard, consider this a confidence booster for those who are trying to prove themselves to one another. Although some peoples list contains players of high tier and such I won't disregard there are players who have started from the bottom and worked really hard and got well known throughout the server.

 

I still consider these guys good players, and have sportsmanship.

 

To name a few, I'd say Trentik Clan has come a long way each individually I've seen most of them grow and others more rapidly. Those that come in teamspeak work with us to get better and we notice the difference over time.

 

So to keep such effort up maybe they are on someone's list. Even if the dialogue ingame gets competitive and serious, we mean no harm but to have fun.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

 

 

this thread is trigger bait or a mutual fap corner... you chose

Fap Corner with a bottle of salt, use it wisely

[DemitronPrime]

Fap Corner with a bottle of salt, use it wisely

LOL!!

 

yeah i totally get what you were trying to do here man i really do...

 

just a shame you forgot that a large number the community are insistent that they are better than everyone else...

 

my comment was more to directed at some of the later posts in the thread ;)

Edited by DemitronPrime, 06 August 2016 - 04:40 AM.

[HOHOHOSANTA]

LOL!!

 

yeah i totally get what you were trying to do here man i really do...

 

just a shame you forgot that a large number the community are insistent that they are better than everyone else...

 

my comment was more to directed at some of the later posts in the thread ;)

Lol thats the thing though, No one should be mad cause this is matter of personal opinion. If someone thinks themselves as the best/better player, so be it.

JUST REMEMBER AT THE END OF THE DAY were still gonna call each other scrubs. :D

Edited by HOHOHOSANTA, 06 August 2016 - 04:46 AM.

[DerMax]

Okay, here's my rundown for EU. Comp players only. Some of these guys are not currently active.

 

No hard feelings.

 

A-Class

 

Berserker: None

• Unfortunately, no top-tier EU player mains the zerker. Meraple would probably be my best pick for it.

Infiltrator: DerMax

• Highly accurate charged and uncharged HEAT, strong situational awareness, strong positioning, strong map knowledge, unique movement patterns (parkour), arguably best grenade launcher EU.

Reaper: Opicron, Pivor

• Both these players have incredible map presence and will force you to change the way you approach a match. Accuracy close to 100%.

Scout: Deadman_Tim, karnak, AmpliFIRE

• Tim is strictly the strongest EU scout I have played with and against, and that with 120 ms of ping. Highly intelligent decision-making, strong aiming, unique movement patterns (fluid dancing).

• karnak and Ampli have not played in a very long time, so I can't quite characterize them, but they used to be top-tier.

Technician: Dr_Freeze001

• The only top-tier EU tech. Known for great positioning, aggressive style, smart use of items.

 

B-Class

 

Assault: Meraple

• Meraple is head and shoulders above any other EU Assault. Aggressive, spearheading style, hitscan accuracy close to 100%, arguably best TOW EU. Highly competent with a range of mech classes but mains the Assault.

Bruiser: None

• No top-tier EU player mains the Bruiser.

G2-Assault: None

• Tis a silly mech.

Predator: Memag

• Memag is, in my opinion, hands down the strongest pred in all of Hawken, discounting now inactive Lightangel, who Memag calls his teacher. If he is in the enemy team, you will have to completely change the way you approach a TDM round as an A class, because he forces himself in the center of your attention. You forget about him for a moment, the next moment you are dead. Incredible map presence and incredible match infuence.

Raider: Kopra, Ker4u, Silent

• Kopra is, in my opinion, the strongest and smartest EU pilot of all time. Back in the days when the EU comp scene was at its peak, he would often have double the score of the second best player in his team. Unique in many ways, he likes to deconstruct the game to find out things that he can use to his advantage in matches. He visualizes all the falloff distances, distances at which he can be heard or seen on the radar shooting, dodging, using ability etc. One of the most creative players in terms of internal/item use; popularized Air180. One-man army level of match influence.

• Silent is EU's second-strongest raider. Unique movement patterns (jumpy raider), insane accuracy with Bolt and MIRV but low accuracy with KLA.

• Ker4u was part of Vodka People and played an integral role in the team's comp domination.

Sharpshooter: Otlo

• Otlo was hands down the strongest EU sharpshooter. With massive map presence and influence, he single-handedly could turn the tide of the match. Defensive, lone-wolf style; great map knowledge, awareness and positioning; knows and uses unexpected aim angles to finish off lit enemies.

• iDim is another phenomenal sharpshooter, but I am not including him, because he has yet to prove he does not use software.

 

C Class

 

Brawler: Hrono

• Aside from being a brilliant IGL, Hrono is an actual scary good brawler. With his SA accuracy rivaling that of Meraple's, he is the center of gravity for his team. I like to think of him as of a tank with a strong battle aura which empowers his teammates, the team's bulwark that will protect teammates from getting finished off.

Grenadier: Shoutaxeror

• A solid, in-your-face Vulcan Gren that you never want to CQC.

G2-Raider: None

• Tis a silly mech.

Incinerator: Meraple, Rasti, EpicToy

• None of these players mains the Incin, but they are all top-tier with it. Great movement and awareness, high direct-hit SAARE accuracy.

Rocketeer: Anichkov

• Say what you want about rocky, but Anichkov will make you reconsider what this mech is capable of. Easily the best Rocketeer in all of Hawken by a huge margin.

Vanguard: None

• No top-tier EU player mains the Vanguard. Kopra would be my best pick, since he effortlessly beats me Van on Van to the point of frustration. But that's Kopra, so I'm fine with that xD

 

I did not include some great EU pilots here for the same reason Nept didn't include some great NA players to his list.

Edited by DerMax, 06 August 2016 - 06:58 AM.

[JeffMagnum]

Guess I'll do one since my viewpoint is relatively unique among 2700+ players as it's based almost exclusively on personal 1v1 and DM experience as well as somewhat influenced by TDM pubs. It'll be as objective as I can make it and not influenced by ego as much as possible. It looks similar to Nept's, but since his is skewed toward strength in a comp setting it isn't exactly the same. It's hard to rank top fives for a lot of mechs, and the placement of some is based on me continuing to play up until two or three months ago a lot more frequently than anyone in Omni except hestoned. I barely have gotten on my main in well over a year and have all my recent playtime spread over 5+ alts giving me most relevantly an extra 20 k kills in SS (putting me at 30 k which is about 50% more than Nept and second only to Nepr in NA as far as I know who has 40 k), 15 k in Scout, 5 k in Gren, 5 k in Pred, 4 k in Zerker, and 2-3 k in Infil (forgot that account's name) over what's listed on my herokuapp page. Also I'm ordering based on me being on a consistently reliable connection which I almost never am.

 

 

A-Classes

 

Spoiler

Scout: IareDave, Xacius~cond0m~Nept~hestoned~OmniStone~me, ClusterBombMan~Dew

 

Dave is the only person who is clearly above the rest of the 2700 MMR players who heavily use Scout. He exceeded the soft skill ceiling that formerly existed based on his incredibly good TOW prediction and positioning as well as his competency with Heat. In a DM setting I would put Dave at the top with Xacius, hestoned, cond0m, CBM, and myself above Nept and OmniStone mostly due to experience in the game mode over them.

 

 

Berserker: IareDave, Xacius~OmniStone, Dew~cond0m~me

 

Dave is also undeniably the best Zerker from what I've seen again mostly because of his strength with TOW. The rest are closer, but I would put Xacius and Stone as being above them.

 

 

Reaper: devotion, Climatic, Xacius~cond0m, Nept~me

 

devo and Climatic are my top Reaper picks even though I don't think they're as good at SS as Nept or I, and Xacius and cond0m move up relative to their SS slots. I don't think SS skill translates to Reaper 1:1 as much as Nept does mostly due to shot timings and ability differences which is why I'm ranking us at the bottom despite us being the top picks in SS. Omni has possibly had internal Reaper duels that I'm not aware of which would make Nept's list more accurate, but this is from what I've seen playing against all of them.

 

 

Infil: Xacius, IareDave, cond0m, Nept~me

 

I think Xacius is significantly better than the rest in Infil with Dave and cond0m being next. I haven't seen Nept enough on Infil with good ping to place him accurately, and I hardly ever play this mech now so my ranking is below what it would be if I wasn't rusted out. At peak play I would say I'm slightly worse than cond0m. Leon was good, but I don't think he could compete against the top picks anymore.

 

 

Technician (support): Climatic, FuryMonster, 7r1p, Xacius~cond0m

Technician (offensive): Me~cond0m, hestoned~Xacius, Climatic

 

 

Dunno anyone else worth mentioning as a support Tech aside from the top three. If I had to I'd fill in the bottom picks like that since Xacius (assuming he isn't rusty), cond0m, and myself are the only three players who I think are able to play virtually all the mechs at a high level. CBM probably would end up with the same distinction eventually if he had more experience. Dew can pick anything too and do well but is a somewhat weaker player overall. I have all of five or so matches as a support Tech, so I'm definitely not including myself in that list. I tend to win all-Tech DMs alongside cond0m and play it fairly often when I pub now, so I would pick us as the top NA Battletechs. Due to their DM skills in general, Xacius and hestoned are above Climatic.

 

B-Classes:

 

Spoiler

 

Assault: IareDave~Xacius, OmniStone, devotion, Clusterbombman~Dew

 

Dave and Xacius are both clearly the best at Assault to me and it's hard to pick between them for the top slot. Stone is also an extremely strong choice, but he doesn't play it as often now so I think he lands in third. devo is excellent but worse than the top three by a decent margin, and I'd round out the list with CBM and Dew. I think Assault is boring as fuzzy bunny to play and am certainly competent at it but I'm not good enough to include myself with any of those players or even probably in the top 10 Assaults.

 

 

Sharpshooter: Me, Nept, devotion, cond0m, Climatic~Xacius

 

Nept is far better with SS in competitive team scenarios, but from experience I consistently outscore him in pubs and win most of the 1v1 matchups especially without coordinated EMP use to counter my shieldplay. He would probably win in Test Arena duels on West due to my terrible latency there and I would on the rest of the servers with me currently at an advantage assuming equal ping due to the huge amount of experience I've gained in SS on alts while he hasn't played much. I think Nept and I are the only people who have gotten close to the skill cap with SS though--devo probably would be able to as well if he put in the time. Xacius isn't too strong of an SS compared to the rest of his mechs, and Climatic is a very good one relative to the rest of his.

 

 

Predator: Me, Dew, cond0m, LilBlackRainCloud, Xacius

 

I took a liking to Pred after I stopped playing my main and run it more often in serious play than anyone except maybe Dew. I think it's a generally underestimated option and would likely be capable of running it very effectively in TPG against all teams except Omni and even situationally against them if I were able to participate. cond0m is also very good at it and uses it somewhat often, as is LBRC who plays it almost exclusively but sticks to pubs. Xacius gets the bottom pick because he's notably worse than cond0m and I at Pred despite being on par or better with other mechs.

 

 

Bruiser: Balweo, Dew, me, Xacius~cond0m

 

Hard to pick anyone except Balweo who incidentally isn't even an NA player but is still hands-down the best Bruiser on NA servers. I'd fill in the rest like this. Like Nept said, Balweo's positioning and game sense are excellent, and his skill with Hellfires is unmatched. His high ping puts him in a significantly worse place with Bruiser's primaries but the rest more than makes up for that. Dew picks this mech way more frequently than anyone else except Balweo here and is better at Hellfires than the bottom three despite being worse with sustained so he gets the second slot. I'm hesitant to choose myself above Xacius and cond0m but I've been playing Bruiser frequently lately since it's a relatively weak mech that doesn't stomp as hard in pubs. I think cond0m is better with Hellfires and Xacius is better with sustained so they balance out for the bottom two picks. MexichanMan was good with HFs in his time but I think he would be outclassed now overall.

 

 

Raider: devotion, Clusterbombman, Xacius, cond0m, Hyginos~Furymonster~Loc_TR~Thirdeye~me

 

devo's undeniably the top NA Raider right now in my opinion. CBM is probably second, though I can't definitively say without seeing duels between him and Xacius. I'm pretty rusted out with Raider so I'd put cond0m in third above me and place myself with the rest who I am better than generally.

 

 

G2-Assault: Like Nept said, anyone with strong trace and positioning good enough to not die out in the open. No one plays this seriously so it's not worth naming names.

 

 

C-Classes:

 

Spoiler

Brawler: OmniStone, IareDave~cond0m, me, Xacius~devotion

 

Stone is definitely top NA Brawler, and cond0m is better than Xacius and I at it. I think Nept is underestimating Dave's Hawkins Brawler in 1v1 scenarios, or at least is underestimating his potential at the mech. cond0m is better with Flak Brawler than Dave and probably better with the mech overall in matches but I'd say Dave would take Brawler 1v1s consistently due to his TOW mastery along with Hawkins being the superior dueling option. I'm pretty rusty at this mech but would place myself above Xacius especially considering he's rustier overall. I haven't seen devo in Brawler much, but from what I have I'd put him with Xacius. Don't think I'd put Butt up nearly as high as Nept did in terms of actual strength with the mech, but he did learn it very quickly.

 

 

Grenadier: hestoned, me, Xacius, cond0m

 

hestoned is the best NA Gren by far right now. The others are mostly ranked based on playtime in the mech, and I don't really know who I'd pick for fifth since not many people play Gren.

 

 

Rocketeer: hestoned~Dew, Balweo, cond0m, Xacius, MexichanMan

 

No one runs this seriously, but hestoned and Dew are my top picks. I'm assuming Balweo is up there, but I've never seen him play Rocketeer so I can't reasonably give him the top slot. cond0m uses it more often than Xacius now as far as I know, and Mexi wouldn't stand up to any of the mentioned picks if he were to pick up the game right now despite being the only actual Rocketeer main when he played. I'm absolute trash at this mech compared to the rest of them and it's the only one that I actively dislike playing.

 

 

Vanguard: Leonhardt, Xacius, IareDave~cond0m~devotion

 

Really difficult for me to rank this mech because I've hardly seen any of them play it plus I rarely use it. Nept's list is almost certainly more accurate.

 

 

Incinerator: Xacius, Leonhardt~Devotion, some guy who mains it in pubs but I forgot his name lol

 

Hardly anyone plays it well. I don't. Xacius is better than the rest from what I've seen

 

 

G2-Raider: Clusterbombman

 

He's really the only person able to effectively use G2-Raider against top players when they're not messing around. The best Raider players could probably take the other slots here if they wanted to put in the time.

 

 

edit: forgot Incin

Edited by JeffMagnum, 06 August 2016 - 10:11 AM.

[Nept]

Technician (offensive): Me~cond0m, hestoned~Xacius, Climatic

 

Not a legitimate category.  Post null and void.

[JeffMagnum]

Nept officially self-conscious of his Battletech

[XFXFuryX]

 

 

i honestly just see a heap of the best players giving each other reach arounds...

 

 

Just sounds like this to me.

 

 

Not to mention I can think of a whole handful of players that have come along and B1tchSlapped every person on that list lol

 

I think they are just trying to point out who is in the "Good Ol Boys" club and who the moderators should give lenience to. 

[DerMax]

TL;DR for Jeff's post:

 

me

[JeffMagnum]

You're probably in the top 10 NA Infils even with your latency though. I have a lot of respect for people who play with awful ping from other continents and still manage to do well especially since they have to be frustrated all the time.

 

 

Not to mention I can think of a whole handful of players that have come along and B1tchSlapped every person on that list lol

 

 who

[Silverfire]

Just sounds like this to me.

 

 

Not to mention I can think of a whole handful of players that have come along and B1tchSlapped every person on that list lol

 

I think they are just trying to point out who is in the "Good Ol Boys" club and who the moderators should give lenience to. 

 

I mean idk too much about b1tchslapped, profile is hidden so we can't do analysis, care to unhide it

Edited by Silverfire, 06 August 2016 - 10:21 AM.

[LaurenEmily]

 

Raider: Kopra

• Kopra is, in my opinion, the strongest and smartest EU pilot of all time. 

 

As much as i dislike this whole thread and it's existence, i just have to say that i agree with this statement whole-heartedly, based on my personal experience in the game with him.

 

The rest of your list is good too imo, you seem to have a pretty neutral point of view which is nice.

[CoshCaust]

• People who post and (politely) debate their opinion.
• People who become angry and offended because someone's opinions and experiences don't match their own.
• People who immediately declare that comparison threads are awful/worthless/circlejerks.

Responses 2 and 3 occur largely because people don't like discovering what others think about their skill levels.

This is the expected misinterpretation from those who are proponents of threads like this. Essentially there are 2 non mutually exclusive groups of binary opinion.
- Thoughtful, like the idea: "Just good natured discussion."
- Thoughtless, like the idea: "I am the best and I'm happy to brag."
- Thoughtful, don't like it: "No good can come from this."
- Thoughtless, don't like it: "I'm insecure about my skill level and this triggers me."

I'm of group 3.
Hawken has a tiny community, MMR is kill, there are no good metrics for comparison, people ignore ping as if it doesn't play an enormous role, etc. etc. etc.
This thread is worthless, and that's not my insecurity speaking. The only time I'm insecure is when I don't have a hair tie and it's windy and I can't stop my hair from looking like the photoshop job of an eagle on Nicholas Cage's head.

[Nept]

Guess I'll do one since my viewpoint is relatively unique among 2700+ players as it's based almost exclusively on personal 1v1 and DM experience as well as somewhat influenced by TDM pubs. It'll be as objective as I can make it and not influenced by ego as much as possible. It looks similar to Nept's, but since his is skewed toward strength in a comp setting it isn't exactly the same. It's hard to rank top fives for a lot of mechs, and the placement of some is based on me continuing to play up until two or three months ago a lot more frequently than anyone in Omni except hestoned.

 

Found it interesting that your selections so closely mirrored mine.  I mean, you've been around forever, but you've never gotten a chance to play competitively.

 

 

Hawken has a tiny community, MMR is kill, there are no good metrics for comparison, people ignore ping as if it doesn't play an enormous role, etc. etc. etc.
This thread is worthless, and that's not my insecurity speaking.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you shouldn't stymie conversations people are interested in having.  The only poor-quality posts within this thread stem from supposedly disinterested parties.

 

Hawken has a small, highly-skilled community - as remains the case with most (Arguably ALL) arena shooters.  There are plenty of comparison metrics, including three seasons of competitive play and numerous cups; and I don't think anyone discounts ping issues (as they've been mentioned in most replies).

Edited by Nept, 06 August 2016 - 12:07 PM.