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[batpanda]

22/04/15

Hey folks: The KDR server is currently offline (along with all the other EU private servers) due to some exciting back end maintenance.
 

This should be very good for us but in the meantime we will have to do without it.

@Batpanda and Dr_Freeze, I don't know if they will be back up by tonight's' Ultra-Violent Wednesday event.

ah......... will have to keep an eye on that thanks for the heads up pasta

[Dr_Freeze001]

22/04/15

Hey folks: The KDR server is currently offline (along with all the other EU private servers) due to some exciting back end maintenance.
 

This should be very good for us but in the meantime we will have to do without it.

@Batpanda and Dr_Freeze, I don't know if they will be back up by tonight's' Ultra-Violent Wednesday event.

 

Thanks for the warning, I didn't even notice they were down. Still, capn' sounded exited about stuff in his weekly update thingy, so it can't be too bad. 

[Bergwein]

-snip-

I'm like, 'Care to elaborate..'

-snip-

 

Totally know what you mean. Watching batpandas videos made me think 'We might have higher mmr, but... they talk!" :D

 

On a serious note: As we already discussed in last sundays debriefing session, I would very much like to take part in another "guided tour" for all the different location and object names, thus developing a universal language for gogogo-KDR-super-UBER-team communication.

[Dr_Freeze001]

Totally know what you mean. Watching batpandas videos made me think 'We might have higher mmr, but... they talk!" :D

 

On a serious note: As we already discussed in last sundays debriefing session, I would very much like to take part in another "guided tour" for all the different location and object names, thus developing a universal language for gogogo-KDR-super-UBER-team communication.

 

Like map naming conventions you mean? Could be something nice for this Saturday's training center. 

[Pastorius]

Totally know what you mean. Watching batpandas videos made me think 'We might have higher mmr, but... they talk!" :D

 

I'm happy to do a lot more of this. Yes matey, we have noticed the the higher tier guys don't talk to each other enough and when we get the scrim team up and running this is going to be a vital key to our success. This is why i'm starting to push this more during briefings.

 

I believe we have some of the best players and certainly some of the most experienced players in HAWKEN. (that's not always tied to MMR by the way) If we can get everyone communicating concisely and effectively with a common language, we could become very formidable opponents indeed.

 

We'll tie in some more 'guided tours ' and naming conventions next Sunday.

 

Great feedback folks.

 

Pasta 

Edited by Pastorius, 22 April 2015 - 07:37 AM.

[batpanda]

looool i think its near the end of the video but i can be heard screaming like a little girl "I'M RUNNING AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" (10 mins 20 seconds for full effect) 

 

 

COMMUNICATION IS VERY IMPORTANT  :P 

 

but if you guys would like what i can do is on our next session i will film the location training and make a map video bible for kdr week by week as we cover each map :)

Edited by batpanda, 22 April 2015 - 07:51 AM.

[Pastorius]

That's a great idea Batpanda, I did film this weeks but for some, very odd reason, the sound cut out. Let's do it!

Do you remember us working on this in TAW? Maybe it's time to complete it?

 

http://prezi.com/j-j...opy&rc=ex0share

Edited by Pastorius, 22 April 2015 - 08:01 AM.

[batpanda]

That's a great idea Batpanda, I did film this weeks but for some, very odd reason, the sound cut out. Let's do it!

 

i have the last 8 minutes of the 3rd map that we did, but its not good enough. will make sure we are on point for this sunday :D and if we have the option i can put them up on KDR youtube :D

[Ninja_Goat]

KDR Teamwork on Last Eco, Seron / Vilyria and Goat go for a walk in the woods,

[Browno]

I would so much like to get better at communication overall and i feel i get some practice on it in kdr :)
/the silent guy

[Pastorius]

Hi, just a heads up that I am waiting for a response on how the private server 'Pioneer Package' will effect us and Ultra-Violent before they go on-sale at 19:00UTC today. 

[Ninja_Goat]

Well it looks like it's going to be quite expensive to be a private server beta tester. 

 

I had expected Re-loaded to make their money from content in the short term, and leave private servers alone until later.

 

But as that's not the case there are 2 important questions to ask.

 

 

Do we need a private server ?      <<<< probably should read  Do we want one,  we don't need one to function.

 

And if we do, then how are we as a clan going to pay for it ?

 

 

The Pro's of a Private server are clear.......

control on map and game selection,  (always extremely useful)

ability to quickly pick teams manually for better balance,  (we haven't used this feature in KDR yet, but used it successfully in TAW)

and options for fun customisation  EG: friendly fire and no radar.

 

Also option of 1on1 training in a locked server.

 

On that subject I am assuming that a "paid for" server will be password protected for clan use only.

 

 

Which brings us to the money,  which could be is always a tricky one.

 

Here is my standpoint for whatever its worth.

 

I am more than happy to contribute to the upkeep of the Teamspeak channel.  I use it relatively allot, for more than just Hawken.

 

I am not particularly happy to contribute to a Private server that I am unlikely to use outside of Sundays (and if we only have 1 then maybe not even then).

 

I am totally happy to contribute to a private server(s) as part of a clan funded subscription mechanic if that's what people want to do.  I think everyone has bought MC at some point, this is no different really.

At that point mandatory subs would likely need to be a part of membership, voluntary donations never work.  That is a major step-change though.

 

I am 100% against the idea of Pastorius funding this on his own.  -  If that's the situation then FuzzyBunny the private server. - DON'T do it Pasta please.

 

 

If you made it to the end of this usual Goat wall of text, then a big  MMMEEEHHHHH !!  to you.  

 

These are my thoughts that I have posted to create discussion,  they are certainly not KDR policy, Pastorius is in charge here those, and decisions are his to make.

[Dr_Freeze001]

I'd suggest to wait until the servers are rented separately and not spend the 150 or however much it is to get in early. We should be able to use the 6v6 function until then at any rate.

[Pastorius]

OK I hear you Ninja and thanks but the biggest and most important reason for having  private servers is that only clan members can access them. If we use public servers we will be bombarded with intrusions from public players as the matchmaker drops people in and out during our sessions. I appreciate that we have not been able to do that with ours yet as I have not passworded the KDR-EU-1 but that is the functionality I have been promised. We have not had this issue yet as we have been able to use the Ultra-Violent ones that are password protected.

 

I can't imagine having to back pub servers again for our sessions. It would be a massive step backwards. 

 

It is my hope that we will continue to have access to clan servers outside of this program. I have a dialogue open with LadyTiggs and CapnJosh to discuss this. Hopefully I will have some news before tonight. 

 

I agree that the cost of the pioneer event is huge. (arround �80 each) There is a load of stuff thrown in to that deal that we simply would not need. We will cross the bridge of pricing and payment when we have to I guess but it is my hope that this new initiative wont effect us in the short term.

 

Don't worry Ninja, there is no way I can afford to stump up �160 even if I wanted to. In my opinion, those of us that already have access to servers should have been briefed on this new initiative from Reloaded before it was launched to the public.

 

This is only my 'fist look' opinion on this but I do believe that giving the community as a whole only 24hrs notice is wrong. People are going to miss out on this because they simply aren't wealthy enough to participate. That's elitism and not what HAWKEN should be about. Also, It shouldn't be one massive payout but a month by month subscription like every other game that offers this service and there really is no need for all the giveaways. Those that really need the service to operate will lose out and the rich casual gamers that don't really give a fuzz will all end up with private servers and a bag of swag to boot.    

Edited by Pastorius, 23 April 2015 - 03:46 AM.

[Silverfire]

Just a note, or rather a thought to you guys, even if I'm not EU.

I don't think these price points are permanent (or I hope they're not). Given it's an early access type thing with these servers and you're paying into this beta test essentially, it's probably to discourage masses of people from buying them so that they can work out the kinks. Perhaps akin to the early pay gate Hawken had upon Steam launch, allows the devs to test with a smaller amount of people so that the bugs can be worked out before it's open to the masses. Thus the higher price point to discourage everyone from purchasing them immediately and likely be disappointed with bugs, and then complain. This is what I sincerely hope because I know the Officially Unofficial Hawken TS will have an issue if the price point remains.

[Ninja_Goat]

I really hope you are right Silverfire,  well operated private servers can be a great benefit to a game.

 

The Officially Unofficial Hawken TS, and its various organised events has proven this over recent months.

 

And Pasta is spot on that rich elitism would be a disaster for this game.

[batpanda]

ummm, being part of both kdr and uv weds ....um probably gonna get one initially so we can all do our things as we are used too so ....well i will foot the bill for 1 and share the love with the comunities that i am part of :) no prmises but the calendar is booked and the money has been prepared for burning

[Pastorius]

I am still hopeful that the clan and event servers will come back online.

 

If not, I cannot understand why the clan and event managers, that already have access to servers, would not have been prior informed and/or given first option on this new system. The outcome of this could make or break HAWKEN for so many people. They surly can't expect to force us into buying them at well overprice in order for us to continue our support of the game.

 

I hope Reloaded realise what a significant move this is and how much the organised gaming community in HAWKEN have wanted this. We have all waited so long (years) for private servers. If they get rushed out like this with no warning and the clans and event organisers get left behind I think that there will be significant backlash.

 

As I said, I can't imagine this happening. Reloaded have been great up until this point and have supported us thus far.  

Edited by Pastorius, 23 April 2015 - 08:12 AM.

[CrimsonKaim]

 

-snip-

 

Just jumping into here, though I am banned but whatever. 

I myself couldn't imagine the new devs doing a silly step like this. But I also didn't expect Hawken to fall back then ..

Thing is, if they deny the old private servers, they will most likely deny community events like FightClub, WarWednesdays, TPG League and whatever we've created.

Now, we know Josh and his crew is fairly unexperienced in Hawken but atleast that should be clear: What he is doing right now will just hurt Hawken one more time. 

Oh and one thing, I don't know how expensive the old servers were but 130 bucks for three months? Who could pay that if not a big clan like CA and KDR (assuming a vast majority supports that)?

 

WarWednesdays and stuff like that is the reason why I am here playing HWK, playing in pub matches is boring anyways and time wasting. 

 

 

Just a question: Will you be able to afford a 'new' server for WarWednesdays and stuff like that?

 

 

Greetings.

Edited by FakeName, 23 April 2015 - 09:09 AM.

[Dr_Freeze001]

Look, let's not overreact here. It's been less than a day, and the private servers tickets haven't even been sold yet, even if they would have been was it not for a bug. Yes, it was poorly handled and pretty inconsiderate, but in light of things it's still very much something new.

[CrimsonKaim]

Look, let's not overreact here. It's been less than a day, and the private servers tickets haven't even been sold yet, even if they would have been was it not for a bug. Yes, it was poorly handled and pretty inconsiderate, but in light of things it's still very much something new.

 

Still, why the old servers have to get removed? That doesn't make any sense. I am sure there are reasons but why not sharing them?

[Dr_Freeze001]

Still, why the old servers have to get removed? That doesn't make any sense. I am sure there are reasons but why not sharing them?

 

Well, if possible we'll ask in the Q&A / dev stream celebrationthingy. That's what those things are for.

[Pastorius]

Ok guys, it has all got us hot under the collar as it is a huge deal for us but lets just wait and see. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm getting ready to get mad later :)

Edited by Pastorius, 23 April 2015 - 09:47 AM.

[Braconiere]

Hey oldfags...

[Pastorius]

On a brighter note, I have seen Braconiere lurking around these parts recently...

Ooooo he beat me to it! Damn :) Welcome Braco!!!! Great to see you!

 

Friend him up guys we may have another old timer retuning to the fold :)

Edited by Pastorius, 23 April 2015 - 09:51 AM.

[Dr_Freeze001]

A wild Brac has appeared!

[Ninja_Goat]

Forget the server talk, rejoice at the sighting of the wild Braco, a beast thought extinct, and watch pretty mech explosions.

This one has some footage from the DM at the end of our first practice, i lost most of it due to technical problems :(, but what i did get came out well.

[batpanda]

it is done, regardless of what happens next we have at least one http://imgur.com/duF2hHU i called it kdruvw in honour of its patrons

Edited by batpanda, 23 April 2015 - 11:07 AM.

[Pastorius]

Thank you Batpanda. I'm sorry that you felt had to do that and I'm sad that we were put in this position in the first place. For you and Dr_Freeze more so than myself and KDR. Your running of Ultra Violent Wednesdays is entirely selfless and a huge contribution to the community. You should not have been forced to buy a server so you can continue to provide this service to the community for free. I received no reply to my request for clarity. We just got a late post from LadyTiggs 5 minutes before the sale started.

 

Anyway, thankfully we will still have the Ultra Violent servers 'for now'. I will ask them to password the KDR-EU-1 server when they put it back up. Hopefully we will retain these until they have a more realistic package for us to rent some of our own.

 

Things were going so well and I'm trying hard not to feel let down by all this.

 

Thank you again Batpanda. It will be very good for us to have a KDR member in this programme and one so knowledgeable in this area to boot. Make sure they get it right dude!

Edited by Pastorius, 23 April 2015 - 12:04 PM.

[CrimsonKaim]

it is done, regardless of what happens next we have at least one http://imgur.com/duF2hHU i called it kdruvw in honour of its patrons

 

Yo did you just spend these 130 bucks on that? Amazing ..

[LaurenEmily]

This whole thing is just a poorly organized farce. Nothing is particularly good about it. And that is such a huge gesture from batpanda to do, like wow. I personally would have been more than happy to like chip in to share and split the cost with possibly some members from the clan but to do something like that just by himself is just so generous.. Oh wow.

[Dr_Freeze001]

Panda, you are a saint. I can't thank you enough.

 

 

 

Enjoy that sticker, you've earned it.

[Pastorius]

Ok, here is how we stand. I have spoken to Tiggs and Josh. We still have the private servers. We will have to take over the rental at some point but for now we will continue as we are. There are also some new things we'll be testing and have some more functionality soon. 
 
It's all good for us again. I'm still not very happy with the way this was rolled out and the fact that Batpada felt he should buy a server but CapnJosh has apologized and said he could have handled the whole thing better.

[Dr_Freeze001]

The babies are back, UltraViolent-Wed-1, UltraViolent-Wed-2 and KDR-EU-1 are back in their proper place. Let's not let KDRUVW go to waste tho and have a party on there sometime this weekend, shall we?

 

Here's to confusion and acts of desperation. 

[Ninja_Goat]

Batpanda is awesome confirmed,

I salute you my friend, in fact you should salute yourself whilst I salute you........ or you could just sit back and watch this !!

[Pastorius]

24/04/15

As I said earlier, I think it's great for us to have someone like Batpanda involved and invested in the private server testing initiative. Reloaded are yet to find out how lucky they are!

 

Batpanda your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to...

Stress test that server of yours until it's on its knees.

 

Do what you do best my friend for the good of the community and the future of private servers in HAWKEN!

Of course this also means that Batpanda has something to play with so there is less danger of him destroying the KDR & UVW ones!   

 

So, as Dr_Freeze said we have our servers back and CapnJosh has even come good and set us a second one as promised.

 

We now have two password protected servers:

 

KDR-EU-1

KDR-EU-2

 

I'll share the passwords with you soon in a PM. (The same confidentiality rules as the TS password apply)

 

Few, what a week!  

Edited by Pastorius, 23 April 2015 - 09:26 PM.

[Browno]

Wow. Just say if you want some money panda. I would be more than happy to contribute some for that move you did.

[Pastorius]

^^ I think Bat's server should be called...
 
Batpanda's Palace of Perpetual Panda-monium 

Do like what i did there?

[batpanda]

i would like to thank you all for the kind words and it is on the cards that we are gonna end up paying for a server in the near future anyway. so its not too much of a loss. on a brighter note what i might do is keep the mouse as a give away for one of our events as it is a special one (and i reeeeealy dont need any more tech!) as for the sticker............. you never know ,,,,,,,we will see,,,,,,,,,,maybe it will go ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, to one that is worthy........... :P you never know depending on its awesomeness i may give that away too, but the moiuse i reallly dont want so its going somewhere at some time. 

[Ninja_Goat]

^^ I think Bat's server should be called...
 
Batpanda's Palace of Perpetual Panda-monium 

Do like what i did there?

 

I think that idea is BATtty and just PANDA-ring to hIs ego. THErefore you should stop before it becomes unMANageable.

 

See what I just did there ?  Bet you didn't, much Ninja such wow.