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[tman7919]

machmanx, on February 17 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

tman7919, on February 17 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

Rei, on February 17 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Why do kids love cinnamon toast crunch!_

I don't...

So you're a kid_

I'm probably the most manly 13 year old you'll ever know.

[Galvanar]

AsianJoyKiller, on February 17 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Galvanar, on February 17 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on February 17 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

xXHadroncutterXx, on February 17 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

It may be bullshiet, but it requires some fine skill to perform that bullshiet, or incredible luck, or stupidity of your opponent.

Just because it's difficult for normal players, doesn't mean it's okay. Beemann and I know a couple of people who could do this consistently, and I'm fairly sure if they stepped into a match, people would start realizing how broken SS is.

That can be said for just about every mech. There are players that can dominate in every mech. Of course maybe the scout and the SS are more powerful than the others but there will always be a few classes or mechs that are the most powerful. Just about impossible to please everyone and make every class perfectly even. That's a fairly tale. And that's another thing should we weaken the SS just because less than 1% of the users can use it amazingly and piss off and nerf it for more than 99% of users_ Not a very bright ideal.

You don't balance classes with that much power around the average player. You try to balance them so they can't be horribly abused by great players.

I can see your point if your looking at it from that view point. The thing is though, if you tweak it down or nerf it for the great players, their still gonna be brutal with it if their that good. I myself don't see bringing it down as doing it any good for the game. Average players will find it less useful and great players will still dominate with it.

If it helps at all I've seen classes get nerfed in other games and players that use that class solely and have become gods (I'm refering to their performance) with that class, and that class can get nerfed and nerfed over and over but if their that good with the class (or in this case mech) their still going to dominate with it if they have a natural nack for the mech. It'd just be fuzzy bunny over the others in my opinion (that of course is what the forums is) and that wouldn't be good.

[Azrael39]

I've killed an A class several times with the Powershot, Slug/Sabot combo, then slug to finish.  I do have full damage optimizations, and the Bullet 5% internal on my SS.

[RentAKnight]

AsianJoyKiller, on February 17 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Galvanar, on February 17 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on February 17 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

xXHadroncutterXx, on February 17 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

It may be bullshiet, but it requires some fine skill to perform that bullshiet, or incredible luck, or stupidity of your opponent.

Just because it's difficult for normal players, doesn't mean it's okay. Beemann and I know a couple of people who could do this consistently, and I'm fairly sure if they stepped into a match, people would start realizing how broken SS is.

That can be said for just about every mech. There are players that can dominate in every mech. Of course maybe the scout and the SS are more powerful than the others but there will always be a few classes or mechs that are the most powerful. Just about impossible to please everyone and make every class perfectly even. That's a fairly tale. And that's another thing should we weaken the SS just because less than 1% of the users can use it amazingly and piss off and nerf it for more than 99% of users_ Not a very bright ideal.

You don't balance classes with that much power around the average player. You try to balance them so they can't be horribly abused by great players.

Do you and Beemann even play this game anymore_  I'm tired of seeing more activity on the forum than in the game.

Less theory crafting, more playing.

Edited by RentAKnight, February 17 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[AsianJoyKiller]

RentAKnight, on February 17 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Do you and Beemann even play this game anymore_  I'm tired of seeing more activity on the forum than in the game.

Less theory crafting, more playing.

Sorry, I can't hear what you're saying over the fact that we were both playing today.
Go epeen somewhere else, yeah_

[ReachH]

Edited by ReachH, February 17 2013 - 04:24 PM.

[RentAKnight]

AsianJoyKiller, on February 17 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

RentAKnight, on February 17 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Do you and Beemann even play this game anymore_  I'm tired of seeing more activity on the forum than in the game.

Less theory crafting, more playing.

Sorry, I can't hear what you're saying over the fact that we were both playing today.
Go epeen somewhere else, yeah_

If asking you to play more and theory craft less is inflating my epeen, so be it.  

I havn't seen you or beemann come around for an organized game, I thought you'd be interested in seeing how balance works out with the latest changes when everyone is organized.

If you are suggesting that gameplay should be balanced around the casual games a player experiences via public MM, I don't have an argument against that.

But the SS is just as OP as the heat scout, as the brawler, as the rocketeer, in the hands of a good player.

Edited by RentAKnight, February 17 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[RentAKnight]

H0b0, after killing someone, if you do continuous 360's (shift-s) does the kill cam spin around with the victorious mech, or does it stay still in 3rd person while the mech rotates_  Motion sickness inducing victory trolling_

Edited by RentAKnight, February 17 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[Pirits]

Thanks for the info.

[h0B0]

Ok i didnt expect this.(left for work and got 3 pages of mostly off topic and funny stuff)

I will edit the op and ask that everyone who has a question that needs answering must friend me in game and offer some his time to test some mechanics it is exhausting on both me and the people i annoy in the mumble share the knowledge and share you spare time.

I would also like to add that i am looking for people that have mechs at level 0 or 1 for non leveld apropriate testing.

On with the questions.

Rei, on February 17 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Why do kids love cinnamon toast crunch!_

Its false. Marketing scheme only. As far as my testing goes Cptn krunch is the wee buccaneers favorite.

Jintonic, on February 17 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

is it possible to get  smc or vulcam +1 damage without +5%  bullet internal_
also how game  rounds up/down_
if i remember right 3% wasnt enough to give AR +1dmg
3* 0.17=0.51 and i thought it would round up to 18, but i still had to put few points in +dmg, to get 18, or the guy i was shooting made mistake or had some defensive  upgrades

No.
I dont know. i know there are decimals in both your health and weapon damage how those are calculated is out of my reach. I could possibly try to do research but i won't bother hacking MTR and learning the appropriate coding i can however bug the devs.

ReachH, on February 17 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Dear h0B0,
In your opinion, is it necessary to shampoo and condition your beard or chest hair_
Regards,
Men

It is not required but it certainly does help. I would also like to point out that this is effective on all hair no matter where they grow on your body. In all honesty i have been complimented several times on the softness of my facial hair and shampoo/conditioner has played a major role in that domain.

Conquistador, on February 17 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Umbre, on February 17 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

EOC does 240 damage without internals now. It went up to around 257 with the bullet internal, I believe.

What do the explosive mines themselves do now_ They used to do 150. Is this number higher_

Require people to volunteer for a testing session.

[h0B0]

SilentJacket, on February 17 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

I can haz recon cupcake_

Culex, on February 17 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

h0B0, on February 17 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

Forgot to mention The maximum amount of damage the SS can deal during its ability is 625.

Can you elaborate how you determined the amount (including if certain internals were used, etc.)_

All the damage. I often make mistakes in my posts but when i say "the maximum" i mean internals(+5%dmg) and optimizations.

v009, on February 17 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Say What!!!!!

"What!!!!!"

The_Silencer, on February 17 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

h0B0, on February 17 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

...
Repairing shows on radar at a range of ~60m same as walking.
...

You mean... Just during a short time after starting your repairs or during all time while you repair your mecha_

Edit: url tags are not working at this moment__... ntz..
Source-> community.playhawken.com/topic/11960-fyi-on-maneuvering-and-radar/

Entire duration of the repair. In depth testing is required, but long enough for me to think it is during the entire duration.

Xuande, on February 17 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

My question is related to a thread I created yesterday. How many shots does it take a SS to take out a mech in each class_ How fast_ What's the exact RoF between each shot_ What's the average amount of damage done_

Spreadsheet should be fairly accurate. I welcome you to do the math for yourself i am willing to spend some of my time to testing mechanics ingame, i hope you can spend the time to do the math for yourself. No offence.

Xtratega, on February 17 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Dear h0B0:

Will we ever get out of here alive_

No. We won't. Therefore enjoy it whilst it lasts.

ReachH, on February 17 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

I wonder what the perfect ratio of HEAT Scout:SS is for a competitive team_

Much has yet to be experimented with for comp play. i would recommend no more than 1 SS and he needs to get involved in the point capping. No camping and sniping. 1-2 heat scouts if you are running SK's zeshi tourney strat.

RentAKnight, on February 17 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

H0b0, after killing someone, if you do continuous 360's (shift-s) does the kill cam spin around with the victorious mech, or does it stay still in 3rd person while the mech rotates_  Motion sickness inducing victory trolling_

I believe so.

Thank you for your support. look for me ingame and offer your time to do some test, you will earn some exp for not dieing and HC for just being there cheers

[tman7919]

Wait I have one what does deathcam= false in the ini do_

[PlagueDoctor]

Why do people say mecha instead of mech_

[h0B0]

im sad. no1 will take this thread seriously .

People say mecha because mech also means guy in french.
possibly something having to do with japanese aswell.

[The_Silencer]

h0B0, on February 17 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

Entire duration of the repair. In depth testing is required, but long enough for me to think it is during the entire duration.

Thanks, man.
Would be worth to run a deeper test on that. I have not had time to play these last days. So I do have one more...:

-> Do Holograms render on radar_

[RudaForce]

Dear h0B0...

If someone was to have the max damage SS and used Powershot, but hit unzoomed (There is a %buff to damage, can't check what it is), how much damage would that do_ Also, what is the max amount of Armor that a C mech can possible have_ Does the repair Kit internal buff the Brawler's ability_

EDITL I derped, ignore my first question.

Edited by RudaForce, February 17 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[PlagueDoctor]

h0B0, on February 17 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

im sad. no1 will take this thread seriously .

People say mecha because mech also means guy in french.
possibly something having to do with japanese aswell.

Sorry, i'm not allowed to take this thread seriously because i'm always the one you're shooting at in these twisted tests

[tman7919]

h0B0, on February 17 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

im sad. no1 will take this thread seriously .

People say mecha because mech also means guy in french.
possibly something having to do with japanese aswell.

I had a legitimate question. What happens if you tweak the ini that deathcam= flase_

[Incriminated]

The problem is that SS is pretty much "vulnerable" to aimbotters with texture hacks (white walls / red enemies). I saw players on uptown standing on the bridge, sniping anyone down that showed their tiny grey textures infront of any grey building anywhere... plus didn't hesitate you t o kill you 150m far away behind a wall, while you are just walking outside of his sight. Every bullet hits, instant hits, noone managed to kill him the hole match.

Thats disgusting! I see lots of normal players with SS, even very good players and those are beatable... but some folks must be either real gods or tiny-di-cked cheaters.

Edited by Incriminated, February 17 2013 - 11:22 PM.

[dEd101]

Dear hobo.

Are items such as detonators and he grenades (turrets maybe_) increased by the ss powershot or beserker abilities_