314 replies to this topic

[LarryLaffer]

This thread really should be locked for the love and peace. Just be nice to each other and play Hawken!

 

Cheers.

[sabrehawk90]

Why's everyone arguing about a silly forum badge, when they could be making their mechs look like this (for 35 MC!)?

Spoiler

 

So doing this

[System64]

Goddamn it... now I want to refund my Reentry thrusters for full MC to get those camos.

Since this is somewhat of a moral event... can I do that? I actually don't want the Reentry thrusters anymore, I find some of the cheaper 108 MC thrusters to look better.

[Gabbahead]

 

EDIT: also, page 3 just magically disappeared, why?

Big brother looks at us:

Edited by Gabbahead, 27 June 2015 - 08:15 AM.

[BIsmuthZornisse]

Speaking of the camos, is rbw-cross fixed yet, or is the blue and purple still too dark? I'd buy it if it was.

EDIT: Gabbahead, I should point out that capnjosh and tiggs appearantly log in as anonymous users (like i usually do), so their won't show up, so it might not be Ashfire.

Edited by BismutZornisse, 27 June 2015 - 08:16 AM.

[LadyTiggs]

If you don't want the badge we'll make sure it is not visible for your account. Many of you need to take a step back, while this is a controversial subject, there is no need to bash or troll others. The thread will not be locked and instead I will action those that feel the need to attack others. 

[SandSpider2]

Genetics is a very interesting science. Did you know that there are two clusters of genes that make someone g a y.

 

It has nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with religion and nothing to do with choice.

 

People are born the way they are.

 

That's it! 

 

The sooner certain groups of people realize that, the more peace there will be.

Edited by SandSpider2, 27 June 2015 - 08:18 AM.

[Ashfire908]

Big brother looks at us:

I don't have admin rights on the forums.

[ticklemyiguana]

If you don't want the badge we'll make sure it is not visible for your account.

I maintain that introducing forum badges over political opinions is a poor move, regardless of cause.

[BIsmuthZornisse]

The sooner certain groups of people realize that, the more peace there will be.

There will be no peace as long as humans exist. Go go HAWKEN nanomachines!

[Gabbahead]

I don't have admin rights on the forums.

Oh... Okay(
Just your red nickname is scared me (more than those rainbow gays guys  )

[SandSpider2]

There will be no peace as long as humans exist. Go go HAWKEN nanomachines!

That's not entirely true. There will be a time in the future when there is no more hate or war or crime for that matter. It won't be any time soon, but it will happen. It is inevitable.

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

Spider.... The 24th century ;)

[Hellzilla]

I support personal choice and preferences, especially when they don't produce any more people on this planet, but I don't support marriage for anybody.

 

Can I get a forum badge for that? An apathetic mechicorn with rainbow thrusters. That's all I want. Cheers.

[BIsmuthZornisse]

Oh... Okay(
Just your red nickname is scared me (more than those rainbow gays guys  )

It's probably been made red, since the moderating team (seen here: LINK) includes members that are also devs.

 

That's not entirely true. There will be a time in the future when there is no more hate or war or crime for that matter. It won't be any time soon, but it will happen. It is inevitable.

When we go extinct, or the universe ceases to be. I just have no faith in my species as a whole. Unfortunately i'm not any useful either (yet, maybe once i finish university).

Even when humans no longer exist, it's a question of time until the next sapient species takes our place as the life ruining idiots.

...I'm just a pessimist with (possibly physiological) depression.

[CraftyDus]

I maintain that introducing forum badges over political opinions is a poor move, regardless of cause.

 

I love how my post of support and admonishment for level headed restraint got deleted.

C'mon Tiggs, use your thinkmeats. Pretty simple stuff.

 

[JeffMagnum]

I thought this community was relatively free of the stereotypical trappings of gamer culture, but I guess not. zzzzzzzzz

[Amidatelion]

I am incredibly disappointed with people in this thread.

 

The equation of the of human rights with politics is a tactic of an oligopolistic media state designed to divide populations and you have bought into that hard.

 

This had nothing to do with politics until you made it so. This was a celebration of love. Requests to remove the badges could have been made quietly without raining on people's parade as Tiggs has proven to be very amenable to polite, respectful requests.

 

This has been anything but.

 

Shame on you.

[Gabbahead]

It's probably been made red, since the moderating team (seen here: LINK) includes members that are also devs.

 

 

Hey, dude! Im just kidding.

[JeffMagnum]

While we're on this subject, how about uncensoring "g a y" too?

[BIsmuthZornisse]

The equation of the of human rights with politics is a tactic of an oligopolistic media state designed to divide populations and you have bought into that hard.
 

I'm reasonably certain that rights/laws are proposed by politicians?

Also, don't shame others, human.

 

EDIT:

I thought this community was relatively free of the stereotypical trappings of gamer culture, but I guess not. zzzzzzzzz

Projecting, much?

Edited by BismutZornisse, 27 June 2015 - 08:51 AM.

[LadyTiggs]

While we're on this subject, how about uncensoring "g a y" too?

 

I've got no problem with it being uncensored, it was asked for because it was being used in a derogatory way

[ticklemyiguana]

I am incredibly disappointed with people in this thread.

 

The equation of the of human rights with politics is a tactic of an oligopolistic media state designed to divide populations and you have bought into that hard.

 

This had nothing to do with politics until you made it so. This was a celebration of love. Requests to remove the badges could have been made quietly without raining on people's parade as Tiggs has proven to be very amenable to polite, respectful requests.

 

This has been anything but.

 

Shame on you.

While I'm inclined to agree with its celebratory nature, the introduction of permanent forum badges based on political opinion - which it is - is a sort of violation of people's right not to take a stance. While one could certainly request the badge be removed, this almost guarantees that someone down the road will label them a "homophobe" of some sort, which is no bueno.

 

It's a binary decision, either have the badge or don't, but the levels of support, agreement, and position that people share are not by any means binary, just like the issue at hand - despite this, as demonstrated, public opinion is often binary, and so making a binary choice puts you in the binary group that the public perceives, even if you don't fall into it. 

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 27 June 2015 - 08:59 AM.

[sabrehawk90]

So, how exactly do badges work anyways? Some people are saying you can choose to display them by editing your profile while others are saying they're permanent.

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

Amidatelion.... Thank you for that post. It was a nice way to sum up and answer some of the out to lunch rhetoric here. How anyone would frame this as political debate.... Just senseless. When the moral high ground is lost we'll turn it political and really run amuck of the real issue.

[Amidatelion]

It's a binary decision, either have the badge or don't, but the levels of support, agreement, and position that people share are not by any means binary, just like the issue at hand.

 

False. If people don't care, they won't care about the positions other's think they hold.

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

Tickle... For someone who supposedly has championed the cause of lgbt community you really just don't get it. Human rights isn't a political issue; don't frame it as such. They are giving out a forum badge, you don't need to use. It's really that easy of an issue.

[JeffMagnum]

I've got no problem with it being uncensored, it was asked for because it was being used in a derogatory way

I would hope that the userbase here isn't using it often enough as an insult to justify it being censored. Imo it being on the list of banned words gives off the impression that homosexuality is taboo and shouldn't be discussed here and reinforces the idea that "g a y" is a slur and not a normal and useful descriptor.

[LadyTiggs]

I would hope that the userbase here isn't using it often enough as an insult to justify it being censored. Imo it being on the list of banned words gives off the impression that homosexuality is taboo and shouldn't be discussed here and reinforces the idea that "g a y" is a slur and not a normal and useful descriptor.

 

I've removed it and if it is used in a derogatory nature then the person using it will be actioned. 

[BIsmuthZornisse]

I've got no problem with it being uncensored, it was asked for because it was being used in a derogatory way

While we're at can we get rid of the worthless wordfilter entirely?

Couldn't you instead implement an auto-report function that reports posts that contain words that might hurt others' "feelings" and then take actions against repeat offenders? I think that would be better rather than falsifying messages!

 

Also, why do you think deleting messages is a good idea, instead of, for example, adding to the bottom of the offending post something like "MOD EDIT: User was warned/banned/etc. for this post". Deleting spam is fine by me, though.

 

Amidatelion.... Thank you for that post. It was a nice way to sum up and answer some of the out to lunch rhetoric here. How anyone would frame this as political debate.... Just senseless. When the moral high ground is lost we'll turn it political and really run amuck of the real issue.

"Moral highground" does not exist. Morals are just opinions. I cannot see how one set of morals can be inherently better than the other. Do you think your morals are inherently better because theyre YOUR morals? I don't understand you other humans.

 

And how are "humans rights" not a political issue? "Rights" is just a shorthand term for "privileges granted by those more powerful/influential than you".

[JeffMagnum]

EDIT:
Projecting, much?

About?

[LadyTiggs]

While we're at can we get rid of the worthless wordfilter entirely?

Couldn't you instead implement an auto-report function that reports posts that contain words that might hurt others' "feelings" and then take actions against repeat offenders? I think that would be better rather than falsifying messages!

 

Also, why do you think deleting messages is a good idea, instead of, for example, adding to the bottom of the offending post something like "MOD EDIT: User was warned/banned/etc. for this post". Deleting spam is fine by me, though.

 

 

 

The forums software does not have that type of functionality. 

 

We've tried the editing messages route and it was seen as public humiliation, so posts are hidden instead.  

[BIsmuthZornisse]

About?

 

stereotypical trappings of gamer culture

you're message exhibited a stereotypical behavior, albeit a different one than what you accused those who you disagreed with your stance of. I just found it ironic, projecting may have been the wrong word.

[ticklemyiguana]

False. If people don't care, they won't care about the positions other's think they hold.

This is the same sort of binary thinking again though. Just because people don't care what decisions other people make doesn't mean they don't care about what they think.

 

 

You can't exactly impose your own line of thinking on other people's emotions. 

 

Tickle... For someone who supposedly has championed the cause of lgbt community you really just don't get it. Human rights isn't a political issue; don't frame it as such. They are giving out a forum badge, you don't need to use. It's really that easy of an issue.

Ok, lets play with your rules. These supposed "human rights" grant freedom of expression, correct? The introduction of a binary choice inherently means yes or no, and public percepetion, as you've so kindly demonstrated, interprets that as for or against.

 

As hellzilla has been kind enough to demonstrate, there's at least one other option out there that isn't being expressed, thus these two options are being prioritized over minority opinions, and in effect, the holders of those opinions are having their own right to expression squished at least a little bit.

 

At the end of the day, Reloaded owns the forums, and they can do as they please. I just think it's unhealthy to publicly group players as supporting "human rights" (hell of a loaded term there) or being against them. If someone wants to say they neither support it or are against it, that's their choice to do so.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 27 June 2015 - 09:14 AM.

[BIsmuthZornisse]

The forums software does not have that type of functionality. 

 

We've tried the editing messages route and it was seen as public humiliation, so posts are hidden instead.  

What a shame about the software.

 

Well i think, it would be more like "pointing out an error (in following the forum rules)" rather than "public humiliation". But too many other's disagree, appearently?

Thanks for atleast replying to my post, anyway.

[JeffMagnum]

you're message exhibited a stereotypical behavior, albeit a different one than what you accused those who you disagreed with your stance of. I just found it ironic, projecting may have been the wrong word.

How did it? I was talking about the homophobia/misogyny/reactionaryism/general bigotry that pervades gamer culture.

Edited by JeffMagnum, 27 June 2015 - 09:16 AM.

[BIsmuthZornisse]

How did it? I was talking about the homophobia/misogyny/reactionaryism/general bigotry that pervades gamer culture.

Yeah, hence "albeit a different one". The one "counter-stereotype" so to speak. I think, "projecting" was too negative/accusatory than what i intended. Sorry.

[Badtings]

Negative people have a problem for every solution.

 

You don't have to show the badge. That's it.

 

There's no 'good' reason to post that you 'don't want the badge' (a badge symbolizing the freedom of others to have the option to be married and be happy w/ a person they love) other than disguised homophobia.

 

Next time, just don't post. The badge you don't need to display will NOT hurt you. 

 

Fuzzy bunny wake up. 

Edited by (THC) Badtings, 27 June 2015 - 09:21 AM.

[ticklemyiguana]

Negative people have a problem for every solution.

 

You don't have to show the badge. That's it.

 

There's no 'good' reason other than disguised homophobia. 

 

Next time, just don't post. The badge you don't need to display will NOT hurt you. 

 

Fuzzy bunny grow up. 

 

Just because one fails to think of a reason does not mean one does not exist. 

[talon70]

Letting the federal government dictate to the states is always a horrible precedence to set . The community was used as pawns in a bigger political issue.  

 

I am all for love and human rights. I am glad everyone is so happy.  But the game shouldn't take such a political stand publicly. It's bad business.