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[ArchMech]

hawken rumors, 3 years of hawken rumors, 3 years? yea three years..... or is it 2 im lost amongst all the crashing and burning indie titles and segregating of gaming community as a whole amongst a flood of other less failing titles that still generally suck.

 

now theres 12 days till overwatch is out, hawken developments are 3 years late and 30 million dollars short, hows that for a line

 

so much for "yes hawken did finally realize itself and appease the masses BEFORE overwatch finally got released"

 

now its: "the last we heard from hawken was sum rumor about Taiwanese x-box one ratings be4 we all went and abandon it completely for overwatch, (edit:) and a confirmation of a port to xbox one that will kill the franchise for anybody that played it be4 then"

(thanks butt for that i hope that profile is real and not made up to troll the entire hawken community, now i can safely assume hawken is getting essentially euthanize'd)

 

RIP i'm buying overwatch now

5/12/2016 7:45pm EST: i bought overwatch ~$39.99, basically the nail in the coffin 

Edited by aFKingTroll, 12 May 2016 - 03:50 PM.

[TheButtSatisfier]

So in order for us to drink when someone says that Hawken is dead, does that have to be OP's post for it to count? Or when someone says it anywhere in the thread, does that count as a drink?

[crockrocket]

So in order for us to drink when someone says that Hawken is dead, does that have to be OP's post for it to count? Or when someone says it anywhere in the thread, does that count as a drink?

That depends on how drunk you want to get.

[Amidatelion]

Also worth noting: there's a linkedin profile for someone who is working on porting Hawken from PC to XB1.

 

[1uster]

P.S.: RIP Ashfire, we miss you   

 

Sorry but what did I miss? The last thing I remember was Ashfire got dev status after being long time "buddy of the devs" before....

[crockrocket]

Sorry but what did I miss? The last thing I remember was Ashfire got dev status after being long time "buddy of the devs" before....

 

He left the IRC

[OdinTheWise]

as the port is being done by a different studio, that almost guarantees that there will be almost no interaction with the xbox and pc sides 

Edited by (thc)OdinTheWise, 12 May 2016 - 04:13 PM.

[XPloyt]

as the port is being done by a different studio, that almost guarantees that there will be almost no interaction with the xbox and pc sides

 

 

 

Speaking of 505 Games, thought this was relevant:

 

 

Who knows what role they will play in the port process.

[KejiGoto]

Speaking of 505 Games, thought this was relevant:

 

 

Who knows what role they will play in the port process.

 

This right here.

 

Publishing doesn't mean developing, it just means they are funding the project. With no one else attached the project all we can really assume is that Reloaded Games is handling the port and that would explain why they've been silent for so long and not able to talk about what they've been up to.

 

Also if 505 Games is publishing this then that confirms that GamersFirst has no part in what goes on with Hawken and the IP is actually owned by Reloaded Games.

[DallasCreeper]

Also if 505 Games is publishing this then that confirms that GamersFirst has no part in what goes on with Hawken and the IP is actually owned by Reloaded Games.

So... is this a good thing?

[TheButtSatisfier]

So... is this a good thing?

 

I'm not sure, but I'm hoping someone will tell me.

[TURDxSANDWICH]

Like what Keji says, 505 is the publisher.  Reloaded is still likely the developer.  Just because 505 is publishing it, i don't think that should lead to any conclusions one way or the other about cross platform play.

 

And here is some pure speculation on my part based entirely on other pure speculation, but.... its possible we could see something as soon as May 17th about the XBox One version of the game.  Xbox is currently in the midst of "ID@Xbox Gamefest" which is "a month-long celebration that's designed to show off the breadth of amazing content offered by independent developers on Xbox One."  The third week, May 17th-23rd is the "What's Next" week, which looks like it will announce a bunch of new titles in its preview program.  (Seems like early access for Xbox titles.)

 

So, its possible the NDA or silence or whatever you want to call why they have been unable to say anything could be because the big announcement is supposed to be a part of this Gamerfest.  Which would make May 17th the day to break that silence (at least as it pertains to the Xbox One version.)

 

http://news.xbox.com...xbox-game-fest/

[KejiGoto]

So... is this a good thing?

 

A very good thing.

GamersFirst is the reason why APB: Reloaded is the garbage that is turned out to be. They aren't interested in expanding their games or audience, just stringing along existing customers with basic cosmetic content to get them to spend just a little bit more money. If you go poke around from when Reloaded first took over the game there's a bunch of stuff about everything wrong with APB: Reloaded and fans of that game came to the forums, IRC, and all that to warn us that this might not be the last minute save we thought it was. It was then that CapnJosh clarified their relationship with GamersFirst and how they are the ones who own the APB franchise and have merely contracted Reloaded Games to work on the game so GamersFirst has final say over everything that happens with the game.

 

The less GamersFirst has to do with anything the better. From my understanding they are like the Uwe Boll of game developers.

[Sylhiri]

 

The less GamersFirst has to do with anything the better. From my understanding they are like the Uwe Boll of game developers.

 

You should have seen them when they were just K2 Network. They made Nexon look like saints.

[ArchMech]

so what your saying is the post amid made in another thread about gamersfirst infrastructure coming to ruin hawken being confirmed is actually confirmed the opposite? that reloaded would want nothing to do with that sort?

[AxionOperandi]

...that's what I said.

Yeah, I know, I was agreeing and expanding on what you said. I typed that up quickly and my opening sounded contrarian but thats not what intended.
 

I think the most likely scenario is that all of the work done in the last year on Hawken was exclusively for Xbox One... and that nothing has been done to the PC version at all.  They have a very small team - so it's quite reasonable to focus all efforts on a very specific avenue, the one that will actually net the greatest returns.   It's a bit overly-optimistic to believe that any amount of updates, fixes, changes, content additions or whatever will ever bring any kind of a respectable audience to Hawken on PC/Steam - it's been here a very, very long time by online video game standards.  And, frankly, it doesn't have a good reputation.  On Xbox, it gets a fresh start with a fresh audience who've probably never heard of it before.

That theory dosn't hold much water in my opinion.

Hawken is built around PC staple a fairly tactical and technical FPS, Hawken is more suited for PC audience in terms of both aesthetics and game play then a console one in my opinion. Think of it this way console is more CoD, PC is more ARMA... Also its development systems are also setup foremost for PC development not console, it would not make any sense shut down the functional mature develpment process for new rebuilt console development process for a unproven (console) market.

I would also disagree that Hawkens reputation is bad. Most people that know about Hawken and know the story know the game is great but it was brought down by its developer and publisher.

[6ixxer]

Also worth noting: there's a linkedin profile for someone who is working on porting Hawken from PC to XB1.

He also does UI for iPhone and iPad apps.
[reliablesource]Hawken is being ported to IOS, you heard it here....[/reliablesource]

[6ixxer]

now I want to create an account called AReliableSource

Then I can spread fuzzy bunny and people will say AReliableSource told me... :p

[DallasCreeper]

now I want to create an account called AReliableSource

Then I can spread fuzzy bunny and people will say AReliableSource told me... :p

On it.

[Kopra]

Unless Hawken gets optimized for xbox, it won't run well.

[Amidatelion]

so what your saying is the post amid made in another thread about gamersfirst infrastructure coming to ruin hawken being confirmed is actually confirmed the opposite? that reloaded would want nothing to do with that sort?

 

Well the point of packet loss for the majority of people is the Gamersfirst node soooooooooooooooo... it's like there are two separate issues at work here and people have to distinguish between them.

[Badtings]

This is a good point. This is the Taiwanese governing body that oversees game ratings. I couldn't find a section regarding their review process, but based on the growing market trend for mobile games, I'm sure they have a process that solely based on questionnaire similar to how the ESRB does.

 

More importantly, the Taiwanese rating page for Hawken shows that it was "already certified by a third party fair certification organization, named:ESRB, PEGI". What probably happened is that the Taiwanese rating agency has a policy to automatically accept a rating by an organization they trust - namely ESRB and PEGI. so when Reloaded approached them with the intent to rate the xbox one variant of Hawken, somewhere during that process Reloaded pointed them to the existing ratings and saved time and/or money.

 

Also worth noting: there's a linkedin profile for someone who is working on porting Hawken from PC to XB1.

Nice find on that linkedin profile. He has a page up for hawken, it's not too good tho :(

[Badtings]

A very good thing.

GamersFirst is the reason why APB: Reloaded is the garbage that is turned out to be. They aren't interested in expanding their games or audience, just stringing along existing customers with basic cosmetic content to get them to spend just a little bit more money. If you go poke around from when Reloaded first took over the game there's a bunch of stuff about everything wrong with APB: Reloaded and fans of that game came to the forums, IRC, and all that to warn us that this might not be the last minute save we thought it was. It was then that CapnJosh clarified their relationship with GamersFirst and how they are the ones who own the APB franchise and have merely contracted Reloaded Games to work on the game so GamersFirst has final say over everything that happens with the game.

 

The less GamersFirst has to do with anything the better. From my understanding they are like the Uwe Boll of game developers.

LOL on the Uwe Boll metaphor!

[DieselCat]

A very good thing.

GamersFirst is the reason why APB: Reloaded is the garbage that is turned out to be. They aren't interested in expanding their games or audience, just stringing along existing customers with basic cosmetic content to get them to spend just a little bit more money. If you go poke around from when Reloaded first took over the game there's a bunch of stuff about everything wrong with APB: Reloaded and fans of that game came to the forums, IRC, and all that to warn us that this might not be the last minute save we thought it was. It was then that CapnJosh clarified their relationship with GamersFirst and how they are the ones who own the APB franchise and have merely contracted Reloaded Games to work on the game so GamersFirst has final say over everything that happens with the game.

 

The less GamersFirst has to do with anything the better. From my understanding they are like the Uwe Boll of game developers.

Good points about GamersFirst and relationship with Reloaded.

 

Actually this was a very good film he wrote and directed...imo of course

 

http://www.imdb.com/..._=nm_flmg_dr_15

[KejiGoto]

Good points about GamersFirst and relationship with Reloaded.

 

Actually this was a very good film he wrote and directed...imo of course

 

http://www.imdb.com/..._=nm_flmg_dr_15

Well it was a jab at not only Uwe Boll's quality (which generally sucks though I haven't seen that film you're referring to) but also the fact that his film company was pretty much a scam and a great way to businesses to "lose" money that couldn't be accounted for when it came to things like taxes and so forth. Basically it was a massive money laundering scheme where they would spend as little as possible to make a movie that would get dumped out into a handful of theaters thus meeting its "theatrical release" requirements for certain tax breaks and things like that.

 

GamersFirst has a similar approach of spending as little money as possible and not caring about the quality of the final product or what fans are asking for. It's the sort of operation that keeps on running for years despite it being incredibly bad and you can't help but feel like something super shady is going on which keeps the lights on cause there is no way in hell they pay the bills with the trash they peddle to people.

 

Well that and Uwe Boll is like the one name you never want to hear attached to a video game project, ever. I remember getting a bit excited when I heard they were making a House of the Dead movie until I found out he was directing it and his terrible company was behind the project. There's a reason he no longer does projects like that either, it's because all the legal loopholes they took advantage of have since been closed. This is why he took to Kickstarter and shockingly didn't get anywhere near his funding goals.

[Hyginos]

Nice find on that linkedin profile. He has a page up for hawken, it's not too good tho :(

 

Link? I can't seem to find it.

[DieselCat]

Yeah...you're correct about the rep that guy has with making bad films and his production practices....I just wanted to make a mention about one movie of his I stumbled across that I thought was worth mentioning....actually was very good...but I hear what you're saying about him when making the comparison to GamersFirst....both can be looked down on. as unsavory.  

[Badtings]

Link? I can't seem to find it.

http://rickgrossenba...om/?page_id=136

[crockrocket]

Interesting

Spoiler

[ATX22]

For a tablet, phone, or console, I like the interface, for something that's in-game on the PC.. please no.  Hawken UI has always been crap, and has a LOT of room for improvement, just not that. (EDIT: IMHO)

Edited by ATX22, 13 May 2016 - 02:41 PM.

[Neraste]

It's a bit overly-optimistic to believe that any amount of updates, fixes, changes, content additions or whatever will ever bring any kind of a respectable audience to Hawken on PC/Steam - it's been here a very, very long time by online video game standards.  And, frankly, it doesn't have a good reputation.  On Xbox, it gets a fresh start with a fresh audience who've probably never heard of it before.

 

The news of this Xbox rating has also been published in a French video games website (here, for the French curious ones). Most of the comments are in the mood "ah, Hawken, this game is gorgeous, but it has had no updates for ages..." And a glance at the Steam reviews shows a similar feeling. It is not the game has a bad reputation because it is bad, but because it has been in the same state for 2 years. So, updates and whatever may reboot it.

 

On the other hand, you are right, 2 years is very long in video games industry. You simply can't sell a game which has been abandoned for that amount of time. Not the same one, not with the same name...

[Tom_Neverwinter]

These are delicate times for Hawken. I hope the monthly report will come soon and possible clear some things up or at the mentioned may 17th announcement. 

 

May the Funding be ever in our favor

[Silverfire]

Interesting

Spoiler

 

That looks like a mobile game I paid 99 cents for (no offense intended to the UI designer, but seriously). Hope that's not the "new UI" for PC.

Edited by Silverfire, 13 May 2016 - 08:53 PM.

[Charcoal]

Xbox one is supposed to get KyBd and mouse support I thought?

[TheFrostnessMonster]

Hopefully the port is good enough to get attention and some money so the devs can make Hawken (both PC and Xbox 1) better.

 

But sadly, I most likely won't believe it till I see it (which I hope I do, because Hawken is awesome).

Edited by TheFrostnessMonster, 13 May 2016 - 04:37 PM.

[XPloyt]

Worst-case scenario, the Reloaded team's primary focus was a Hawken XB1 port, right? If that's the case, then personally I will be disappointed and slightly discouraged for Hawken's future PC updates, as either it will be on the backburner for quite some time before anything comes out - if at all, depending on the community response I imagine - being the XB1 port has taken top priority.

 

Although I wouldn't feel duped, I would feel like some of us were strung along simply for the sake of good word of mouth allowing for good press, looking toward the future. The duo kept what's left of the PC community involved by putting forth Hawken memorabilia events, albeit very time-limited, and the Pioneer server deal which definitely could've waited if content was and is actually being made for the PC.

 

It's not like anything was promised to us, so I couldn't get mad. Alot of us fell for it once, so now, most of us aren't expecting much. If big things happen for Hawken on PC, awesome; if not, well, it has been trending that way for some time, up to this point, all I can say is, "Oh well. That's too bad."

[MomOw]

About the UI, I am wondering what "clan" stands for / implies

[Amidatelion]

About the UI, I am wondering what "clan" stands for / implies

There's clan support in-game but it's really shitty atm and disabled. Could be on Reloaded's list of things to finish.

[KarlSchlag]

at least we get to kill all of the lousy console kids who think piloting a fast mech arena shooter is a controller game

Yay... even more frustrated newcomers that will uninstall after writing a harsh "Screw this game its pay to win"- review.

Edited by (KDR) KarlSchlag, 14 May 2016 - 07:32 AM.

[6ixxer]

These are delicate times for Hawken. I hope the monthly report will come soon and possible clear some things up or at the mentioned may 17th announcement. 
 
May the Funding be ever in our favor

I mentioned in another thread that I got a response from Tiggs recently.
It said that the next update (referring to info, not patch) might not make the summer sales.
Who knows whether it would coincide with a patch.

Best to just roll with it and assume we have another month of not much info. Unrealistic hopes just lead to disappointment.
I think what we've been digging up here is in big part why (my opinion only)