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[Isaac_Shepard]

Many of us have dealt with someone who seems 'too good to be true' and often times, is. I am talking about hackers, and cheaters. So far, the only proof we can show to others that someone has discovered a hacker, is by catching them on video. I have been trying a different approach. If I am in a match, and player x has a score that is too high, I will leave the lobby after the match is over, and look at the suspicious player x's profile. What I look for, is usually how many kills/deaths, wins/losses, and hours played, to determine if player x is legit or not. Since I am only a player of the game, I may often have a bias of 'this guy is totally hacking! no one is that good!,' which is why I have not said much of anything until now.

What I have been doing, is taking screenshots (I play over steam) of suspicious player profiles, but I have no idea on what to do with these screenshots. Should I post an album to the forums? talk to capnjosh? or just wait till Reloaded deals with the issue, as that will happen anyway?

 

Not sure on how to finish this, so thank you for your time.

-Isaac

[Amidatelion]

Previously hacking reports were to be submitted to support, but I don't know what the policy is these days. I'm not sure support is 100% running yet.

 

Though it hasn't been officially stated anywhere this time around, previous forum rules stated no callouts. Prooobably a good call to follow that for now.

 

Also, looking at someone's profile is no help, as plenty of smurfs have 8-1 KD (or better) ratios. Actually a lot of the time smurfs of legit players have better scores than hackers since hackers are terrible at the game and have poor situational awareness, cornering skills and anything that isn't move mouse+click.

 

We could really do with some official policy on dealing with hackers and griefers soon.

[HorseHeadProphet]

Honestly man, I have been in matches with you crying "cheater," when there is no one in the match whom I would even consider of playing suspiciously. Some people are just really, really good at this game and can make you feel like you have no chance at all against them. A skilled scout pilot using scanner can seem totally omniscient. I got accused of cheating the other day when I blew up a cloaked pred when in fact I just knew where he was, because I'd seen him cloak one second earlier, and I correctly anticipated his movement. Plus I could see his blur anyway. Learn to do stuff like that a lot, you'll start getting Hackusations too.

 

Actual hacks are kind of rare. They do happen, it's just far, far more likely that you are just playing against someone who simply outclasses you.

 

Work on timing your dodges and keeping one eye on your radar, learn when to run and when to fight. Think if what you are doing is causing you to appear on radar. Listen for the sounds of a scanner or scrambler nearby. If you're fighting in a crummy location, move somewhere else. 

[OmegaNull]

Previously hacking reports were to be submitted to support, but I don't know what the policy is these days. I'm not sure support is 100% running yet.

 

Though it hasn't been officially stated anywhere this time around, previous forum rules stated no callouts. Prooobably a good call to follow that for now.

 

Also, looking at someone's profile is no help, as plenty of smurfs have 8-1 KD (or better) ratios. Actually a lot of the time smurfs of legit players have better scores than hackers since hackers are terrible at the game and have poor situational awareness, cornering skills and anything that isn't move mouse+click.

 

We could really do with some official policy on dealing with hackers and griefers soon.

Agreed. This game and community is too damn awesome to let fuzzy bunny bags like them move in and ruin it for us all. 

Edited by OmegaNull, 06 April 2015 - 05:32 AM.

[hoghead]

Well said Amid. and Omega.

[CrimsonKaim]

KIll'em all.

[Lioot]

When the person just snaps onto you or turns around when you KNOW  how to stay off the radar and don't have footstep sounds because of infil or pred

[Amidatelion]

When the person just snaps onto you or turns around when you KNOW  how to stay off the radar and don't have footstep sounds because of infil or pred

 

Infil and pred both have full volume footsteps. Sound is muffled for the pilot while in stealth.

[vonbach]

Or when your hiding around a corner perfectly and cloaked still and he marches up to you and shoots you.

Or some reaper opens fire on me me all the way across the map while i'm cloaked.

[Meraple]

Or when your hiding around a corner perfectly and cloaked still and he marches up to you and shoots you.

Or some reaper opens fire on me me all the way across the map while i'm cloaked.

Cloak's not hard to spot from such ranges as long as you have a mech with a Scope Utility.

It's more about the question if the Reaper/Sharpy happens to go over your location with his screen while having it active.

[AsianJoyKiller]

Agreed. This game and community is too damn awesome to let fuzzy bunny bags like them move in and ruin it for us all. 

Cheaters move in and ruin games regardless of how awesome a community is. Frankly, the lack of cheaters is more due to the fact that Hawken is simply unpopular.

[comic_sans]

Cheaters move in and ruin games regardless of how awesome a community is. Frankly, the lack of cheaters is more due to the fact that Hawken is simply unpopular.

 

I feel like if I could just find the right foil for you, you'd be the perfect straight man in a comedy duo.

 

Also if you suspect someone is hacking, I assume contacting support is still the way to go, but if it's YOUR game and you want it NOW (call big goofy W company), pick a tanky burst mech and pack a bunch of shields.  I had a guide up on the old forums about outplaying hackers, but it basically boiled down to luring them to/in shields and using the shield like a wall for corner play to out-burst their locked-on dps.

Edited by comic_sans, 06 April 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[(KDR) Seron16]

Keep in mind many of the current playerbase are veterans who have had up to multiple years of experience in the game, and many have created multiple accounts for a myriad of reasons (Some better than others).

 

So many times hackers are just those vets pulling off moves that seem incredible to those newer to the game, but are actually just skills practiced over long periods of time. That may not always be the case, however I find most of the time it is something in that vein.

[Flifang]

The other day in a death match a well known hacker jumped in and attempted to shield play with my scout in a crt. I snipped him with my tows from roughly s2 on bunker past s1 and pegged him outside his shield every time I fired. He left promptly next death, it was beautiful!

[VYR3]

they need to implement a good anti cheat for the servers first of all, that'll fix most of the hackers than have no idea what they're doing, and leave reporting for the guys that manage to get though the cracks.

 

and instead of kicking hackers from the servers, we should make their mech have only 10 HP, over heats 10x faster, make them glow through the maps, and make their boost controls are all backwards.

 

that way if they join a server after being caught cheating, everyone can just gib them instantly.

[KOS_Baconman]

why worry about hackers when the real problem is

 

(here comes the AC users....)

 

 

berserker/scout with AC?

[Meraple]

why worry about hackers when the real problem is

 

(here comes the AC users....)

 

 

berserker/scout with AC?

 

YOU KNOW NOTHING.

 

Spoiler

Honestly though what does AC even have in common with hackers lol

[ticklemyiguana]

YOU KNOW NOTHING.
 

Spoiler

Honestly though what does AC even have in common with hackers lol

Finally someone else who understands the magic of AC brawler.

[m0bieduck]

Much hackusations, wow, such skill.

Seriously, hackers are actually pretty easy to kill, take for example mrguigui, which some of you may know. He taunted the devs in the old forums, and everytime he was ip banned, he just changed it. He was easily recognizable and easily defeated. As another plus, most of the players who like this game band together and just try to troll/kill the hacker. Also, dont just make random hackusations because the player is better than you. For example, hestoned can take on like 4 2300 mmr level players at once and still come out on top. And thats because is movement skills are just superior, hawken is more about movement than hitting every shot. (not saying that shooting is not important, just that movement is more so)

[AsianJoyKiller]

Seriously, bad hackers are actually pretty easy to kill,

FTFY

[ticklemyiguana]

hawken is more about movement than hitting every shot. (not saying that shooting is not important, just that movement is more so)

Movement doesn't matter if your opponent is hitting every shot. You move to make them miss. The best way to kill an aimbot is to get in an assault, stand still, and out DPS them. It's math.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 06 April 2015 - 10:50 AM.

[Amidatelion]

Movement doesn't matter if your opponent is hitting every shot. You move to make them miss. The best way to kill an aimbot is to get in an assault, stand still, and out DPS them. It's math.

 

...what?

 

What?

 

No.

 

You are not going to out-DPS an aimbot standing still. They will keep moving, you will miss, they won't. That's math. 

 

Just moving yourself isn't going to beat them either. Moving in and out of cover to maximize your burst vs their burst + sustain is going to beat them. Leading them to your team to crush them with overwhelming firepower is going to beat them. Surrounding them with too many targets to make their auto-targeting fill their screen with useless fuzzy bunny and confuse them is going to beat them. Sniping them from the other side of the map is going to beat them.

 

"stand still"

 

What the hell tickle.

[ticklemyiguana]

Well, don't miss.
In my experience this seems to work. Most aimbots are reapers and sharpshooters. If they have projectile weapons, sure, move around. But the mechs with solely hitscan weapons (exception being g2 assault) have low health and DPS. So yeah. Stand still (or otherwise have stable aim) to win.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 06 April 2015 - 12:24 PM.

[PsychedelicGrass]

I've only ever seen one person that I was confident was hacking, and it was pretty easy to kill them anyways using cover properly :/

[EchoJester]

What can we do?ill tell you,do what i do get better and beat the puny aimbot scum,they only shoot perfect they cant strategize.only inexperienced players should loose to them.

[Pumapaw]

iT'S THE YELLOW CAT PAINT....It's bullet proof.

Only good cats get it...

Now humanz get back to cleaning the litter box. I'm busy grooming , friggin hair.

 

Capnjosh... Make some darn room in the mech for the tail please. Its irratiating.

Edited by Pumapaw, 06 April 2015 - 03:47 PM.

[Isaac_Shepard]

Honestly man, I have been in matches with you crying "cheater," when there is no one in the match whom I would even consider of playing suspiciously. Some people are just really, really good at this game and can make you feel like you have no chance at all against them. A skilled scout pilot using scanner can seem totally omniscient. I got accused of cheating the other day when I blew up a cloaked pred when in fact I just knew where he was, because I'd seen him cloak one second earlier, and I correctly anticipated his movement. Plus I could see his blur anyway. Learn to do stuff like that a lot, you'll start getting Hackusations too.

 

Actual hacks are kind of rare. They do happen, it's just far, far more likely that you are just playing against someone who simply outclasses you.

 

Work on timing your dodges and keeping one eye on your radar, learn when to run and when to fight. Think if what you are doing is causing you to appear on radar. Listen for the sounds of a scanner or scrambler nearby. If you're fighting in a crummy location, move somewhere else. 

 

you are right, i know i am a biased player. but that is ok. i am not someone who does throw accusations around. i never want to, i only look at profiles and really just want to share them with capnjosh.

[AsianJoyKiller]

you are right, i know i am a biased player. but that is ok. i am not someone who does throw accusations around. i never want to, i only look at profiles and really just want to share them with capnjosh.

That would be throwing accusations around. Albeit, privately. But thrown nonetheless.

[Amidatelion]

you are right, i know i am a biased player. but that is ok. i am not someone who does throw accusations around. i never want to, i only look at profiles and really just want to share them with capnjosh.

 

Please direct all hacking complaints to Support, preferably with evidence attached.

 

Actually, if its video, upload it somewhere else and link it. Upload didn't work for whatever reason when I submitted last.

[Nov8tr]

I have read several post in different threads about what cheaters can and cannot do in Hawken. About how easy or hard it is to kill them. The days of the free aimbots and wall hacks are so far behind what is available now. Evidently most are not aware of what is. There are a number of PAID hack sites now. Most have been around at least 4 or 5 years. They offer cheats for a average of 35 to 45 different games at each site. At just one of the sites they have over 300,000 clients who pay every month for their highly skilled hacking services. We are not talking about some High School hack. We are talking about extremely talented, professional grade hackers. I want to show you something to make you understand. There are more cheats on Hawken than you think. A lot. Can you detect the best of them? NO. I will post a list below of what just one site offers for Hawken. I am not naming the site. I am not advertising for them. I am trying to show you just how wrong some of you are. I am trying to raise your awareness of how it is NOW, not last year or the year before. Even video will not show all cheats. Can you compare a sudden massive uprise in K/D ratio, etc with what they were doing? Yeah mostly. But they get caught. They make new accounts. The hacks are now very sophisticated pieces of code. HERE is what they can do now: (this is just what one site offers)

 

Aimbot:
� Auto Aim
� Auto Fire
� Fire Delay
� Smooth Aim
� Limit Angle
� Use Aim Key
� Ping Prediction
� FPS Prediction
� Prediction Scale
� Visibility Check
� Aim Style (FOV, Distance, First in list, Health)
� Aim Bone (Bone Scan, Head, Chest)
� Aim on Friendly
� Aim on Enemy
� Max Distance
� Hard Lock
� Draw Locked

Triggerbot:
� Triggerbot
� Use Trigger Key
� Fire Delay
� Trigger on Friendly
� Trigger on Enemy
� Max Distance

3D Radar:
� Bounding Box (None, 3D, 2D)
� Box Size
� 2D Line
� Player Name ESP
� Player Distance ESP
� Player Health ESP
� Head Dot
� Dot Size
� Aim Laser
� Laser Size
� Grenade ESP
� Show Friendly
� Show Enemy
� Max Distance

Colors:
� Customizable Enemy Invisible RGBA Color
� Customizable Enemy Visible RGBA Color
� Customizable Friendly Invisible RGBA Color
� Customizable Friendly Visible RGBA Color
� Customizable Grenade RGBA Color
� Customizable Crosshair RGBA Color
� Customizable Menu RGBA Color
� Customizable Is Aiming At You RGBA Color
� Customizable Can See You RGBA Color
� Customizable Is Visible RGBA Color

2D Radar:
� Show Radar
� Show Cross
� Show Window
� Show Dot
� Show FOV
� Show Friendly
� Show Enemy
� Stick To Window
� Radar Scale
� Window Size
� Cross Size
� Dot Size

Warning:
� Warning System
� Aiming At You Angle
� Can See You Angle
� Max Distance
� Beep System
� Max Distance

Misc:
� Crosshair (None, Cross, Dot, T-Cross)
� Crosshair Size
� Draw Resolution
� Draw FPS
� Draw Time
� Draw Watermark
� Draw Health Bar
� Use Panic Key

Filters:
� 6 Friendly filter slots
� 6 Enemy filter slots

Positions:
� Customizable Radar position with the mouse
� Customizable Menu position with the mouse

Keys:
� Customizable Panic Key
� Customizable Menu Key
� Customizable Aim Key
� Customizable Trigger Key

Settings:
� Save default settings
� Load default settings
� Save custom 1 settings
� Load custom 1 settings
� Save custom 2 settings
� Load custom 2 settings

 

Now do you understand why I hate cheaters so much? Do you see what they can do? Ask DICE what they think about hackers. They almost destroyed their entire company. (They literally took them to the brink of losing it all.) They had to build a separate entire division devoted to anti-hacking. Now given their game (Battlefield, etc) is much, much larger. But even Hawken has its losers who cheat. I do NOT want to see this happen here. You guys who are the best in the game are going to be the ones to find them if anyone is going to. Do NOT dismiss all the ones you suspect as "just being really good". I guarantee some of those were cheating. They were just using really high end paid hacks by professional hackers who guarantee their work. Not free junk. PLEASE keep your eyes open and help keep Hawken cheat free. Make people afraid of getting caught. Turn them in and hopefully Reloaded will permanently ban them. Thank you and sorry for such a long post. I really just wanted to make you understand the scale of it now. I despise cheaters and the hackers who make it possible. Thanks for listening and to those who help stop them. THANK YOU. Do not let these scumbags get a hold here. Its easier to stop something before it gets bad than after it gets bad. Get video, get info about their stats from the in game tool. Send in reports and try to explain in as much detail as possible what happened. Take care!

[Flifang]

With all that screen clutter I can't imagine how bad their frames would drop.
Lately I have had a few snipers nail me from across the map usually after I spawn is when I notice. I guess one moment stood out and that was on prosk. The map has a particular lane that is open from the bottom of one of the bridge Ramps all the way to the buildings left of the trench start that has the big arch. Near those buildings is an opening a-class sized you can shoot almost clear to the opposite map boundary. The opening is so small that it's difficult to get a tow through and yet I get nailed by a slug sabot power shot moments after I spawn. It's just too good to be chance.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Previously hacking reports were to be submitted to support, but I don't know what the policy is these days.

 

We could really do with some official policy on dealing with hackers and griefers soon.

 

I submitted a ticket - with video - to Lady Tiggs today (griefer/glitcher on FrontLine).

[raging_squirrel]

Honestly man, I have been in matches with you crying "cheater," when there is no one in the match whom I would even consider of playing suspiciously. Some people are just really, really good at this game and can make you feel like you have no chance at all against them. A skilled scout pilot using scanner can seem totally omniscient. I got accused of cheating the other day when I blew up a cloaked pred when in fact I just knew where he was, because I'd seen him cloak one second earlier, and I correctly anticipated his movement. Plus I could see his blur anyway. Learn to do stuff like that a lot, you'll start getting Hackusations too.

 

Actual hacks are kind of rare. They do happen, it's just far, far more likely that you are just playing against someone who simply outclasses you.

 

Work on timing your dodges and keeping one eye on your radar, learn when to run and when to fight. Think if what you are doing is causing you to appear on radar. Listen for the sounds of a scanner or scrambler nearby. If you're fighting in a crummy location, move somewhere else. 

 

Sorry, I ran out of likes. HHP, I've played with you in several matches recently and I agree with your comments here. There may be some hackers out there but not as many as some think.

 

I believe there were more when Hawken was going through it's "Dark Period" when no one was at the helm. Now that Reloaded has taken up control (even though they haven't yet really addressed this issue) the people that were (maybe some still are) using aimbots, speed hack etc. have dwindled significantly.  

 

I know there are times I feel like there is no way a player can move like that and it bothers me a bit but then realize some really good ones can. If some players are truly hacking, most other players will eventually see that is what's happening and be able to recognize it.

 

This is still an issue that needs to be dealt with so it stays under control and I think that will come in time with lots of other concerns that the new devs have on their list of things to do.

 

#HawkenFor Life

[Nov8tr]

Actually Flifang it makes almost no drop in FPS. It may be 3 or 4 maybe. You pick all those choices BEFORE you the match. Then you use macro keys to activate your choices. It does add a lot of color to the map though. I wouldn't like it for that fact alone, let the fact they cheat. I want to see and play the game the way it was made. Not so I can be some FAKE meta god or something. What's the point in that? What losers.

[Nept]

Honestly, I would find it hilarious if there were a callout thread on these forums.  I very, very rarely see any vets accuse anyone of cheating, and anyone who were falsely accused would be cleared pretty quickly.

 

The list of names would also be amazing.

[?FTD? eXeon]

Honestly, I would find it hilarious if there were a callout thread on these forums.  I very, very rarely see any vets accuse anyone of cheating, and anyone who were falsely accused would be cleared pretty quickly.

 

The list of names would also be amazing.

Is there even a rule against call outs in the new forums?

[Elite_is_salty]

Yesterday in an EU server, I found a botter. I figured it since the very first fight, he was a zerker. He switched to SS during the matches, and once I got super vocal with my accusation (Elite = Greatest trash talker of all time), people also found out and started recording so he switched to rocketeer.

Anyways, after taking the fun out of the game he left.

 

Personally, I'm not good enough to REK a botter. I may at best go toe to toe with him but that won't push him away.

 

Unfortunately at the very worst case, they'll just go SS and hide so far where no one can do so much to him.

[Rei]

Honestly, I would find it hilarious if there were a callout thread on these forums.  I very, very rarely see any vets accuse anyone of cheating, and anyone who were falsely accused would be cleared pretty quickly.

 

The list of names would also be amazing.

Or how about when one of my smurfs got called out on the previous forum and DID get banned for hacking because of hivemind nonsense? lol

 

Out of all of my games, maybe seen 2 hackers One of them fully recorded too from July.

 

The most telltale sign of hacking you should see is their mech snapping to targets like so (most obvious in 2nd clip)

Spoiler

 

Hackers are actually pretty damn rare.

Edited by Rei, 27 April 2015 - 12:50 AM.

[Nov8tr]

I will be the first to agree it is a LOT better than it was in the "dark days" which is really why I just quit playing then. It was way out of hand then. But DO NOT think that it is rare now. It is NOT. It has just gotten a LOT more sophisticated than it use to be. Sure the Free hack trash is still out there and idiots still use it. Doh.  I have seen way too many people who brag about it in a lot of games and on game forums even. I even argued with one guy here that it was against the TOS and he just refused to believe it was not allowed. I thought I was going to fall out of my chair laughing so hard. I didn't have ShadowPlay running so he got a free walk. Plus to be honest I was actually amused. Cheat mod companies are becoming big business. Gold sellers have now reached what is estimated at $20 BILLION last year. For real. People are just lazy.

 

People are surprised for the most part to find out I'm 61 and still gaming. We grow old not because of age, but because we forget how to have fun. And yes people cheat in Hawken. It is not huge YET. The point is to not let it get like it was. I don't want to ever see that again. So just because you don't see it in high MMR games, don't think it is not happening in the low/mid areas. It is.

 

And REI, PLEASE read my post above. The old snap, snap, snap stuff is so old school it should be in a museum. My grandma could see that stuff from across the room. LOL. Aimbots now do NOT have to snap. Period. The hacks now are so sophisticated they can look like a normal player who is really good. For real. And no, if he is a new player you will NOT be able to tell if he sets it up right. (well mostly) Not if he lets himself die sometimes. Not if he sets the hacks to miss on a irregular basis. Sigh, yes lazy people with money have come to this level of lazy. Sad but true. People will work 20 times harder to scam people then they would at a real job. I am asking again for the high end MMR people who smurf to keep you eyes open and your mind open as to how things really are. People cheat. Granted some suck at it. But not all. Thanks to those who are and take care.

[bacon_avenger]

I think I should have a lock via mac address these users, so they can not play more as easily Hawken, of course, it can change computer, but is much more tiring and perhaps desmotive playing.

I keep seeing MAC address being used as something to block, but it's not something that will work as MAC addresses can be changed/spoofed/replaced if someone knows what they are doing.

 

Devils Advocate -> Then there is the problem of it blocking multiple players who might be using the same machine and don't cheat.

 

If Reloaded was to implement something like this, I would suggest something that isn't really 'spoofable', such as the Windows product ID or CPU Serial number, both of which are accessible via API's

 

Edit:  Yes, these are changeable as well, with the product ID being the 'easiest, but they are a lot less 'easy' to change than a MAC address.

Edited by bacon_avenger, 27 April 2015 - 10:23 PM.