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[_incitatus]

Wow, this is really nice of you Xacius.  I've got some footage for your review as well, but not with me here at work.

One really can learn a lot and see where they need improvements simply by going back and watching replays of matches.  I noticed that my aim was super twitchy and how much my trackball was actually hindering me (duh).  So I switched to decent mouse and instantly improved my play.

[Interrobang87]

I really like this thread because i get to see how certain forum regulars play if i haven't played with them before

[shosca]

Xacius, it would also be nice if you could do something like a slow motion review of your own play as a video too, and maybe stream it_

Edited by shosca, January 17 2014 - 09:53 AM.

[Azrael39]

shosca, on January 17 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Xacius, it would also be nice if you could do something like a slow motion review of your own play as a video too, and maybe stream it_

Nooo Shosca don't tell him that.  Xacius might learn something new and become even better than he already is.  And he's already the best that ever lived.  The best thing would be to convince him that he's so great now that he relaxes on us normal humans and one day a real young keener can rise up the ranks and best him.  Lol.

[nepacaka]

Xacius, I have brought you a little bit =Ъ
It was hard! play with 160 ping and 20-30 FPS, but i try. I was able to create only 3:40 minute videos, because have little problems.
And I wanted to record the first video with SA Hawkins, but with a large ping and a small FPS I just could not get in anybody, it was a pitiful sight... =D, I took the penultimate place XD. I try somthing else, maybe later i can do this!

Quality is bad :C
i can do this maximum only in 240p

Origin. Brawler. part 1

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Origin. Brawler. part 2

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i press F12 and die in end, change team, and lose with 2 frag =

Frontline. Brawler.

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press F12 and die in end of video, change team, and lose with 1 frag =Ъ. pity...but we play 5vs6 =D

Wreckage. Brawler.

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At the Facility, I could not hit in anybody with Flak and I had to switch to roketeer =(

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I also have an sound-driver error, I removed the hiss and added some music.

Edited by nepacaka, January 17 2014 - 04:51 PM.

[Interrobang87]

nepacaka, on January 17 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Xacius, I have brought you a little bit =Ъ
It was hard! play with 160 ping and 20-30 FPS, but i try. I was able to create only 3:40 minute videos, because have little problems.
And I wanted to record the first video with SA Hawkins, but with a large ping and a small FPS I just could not get in anybody, it was a pitiful sight... =D, I took the penultimate place XD. I try somthing else, maybe later i can do this!

Quality is bad :C
i can do this maximum only in 240p

Origin. Brawler. part 1

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Origin. Brawler. part 2

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i press F12 and die in end, change team, and lose with 2 frag =

Frontline. Brawler.

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press F12 and die in end of video, change team, and lose with 1 frag =Ъ. pity...but we play 5vs6 =D

Wreckage. Brawler.

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At the Facility, I could not hit in anybody with Flak and I had to switch to roketeer =(

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holy santa claus chimney roasted nuts nepa - how do you play like that_ those graphics are so low it's like you just use the 3D models of the game to play. There's no textures at all! Someone buy this man a computer - his microwave isnt going to last much longer!

Can we get a community driven effort to donate a computer to our favorite mustache wielding, map and mech designing spiderman_

[DerMax]

Okay, here's a video of me playing rather poorly on Uptown (it's the only map I can play while recording).

Thanks in advance.

Edited by DerMax, January 17 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[nepacaka]

I'm fan of old-games, roguelike, pixel graphics, etc. Graphics doesn't matter if gameplay is good.

[Sylhiri]

nepacaka, on January 17 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'm fan of old-games, roguelike, pixel graphics, etc. Graphics doesn't matter if gameplay is good.

Hawken64

[Zaxik]

This is really nice! I should record myself playing scout and infiltrator and get some critique, because I know I'm doing something wrong. I can honestly handle only sustained fire weapons, burst is too hard O_o

[ropefish]

if i did, he would correct every keystroke i made q-q

[DennisKnightPC]

Nepacaka - what Graphics card have you got_
On topic - this thread is a good idea. I recorded some gameplay (for the first time) that I was going to post for Xacius' critique but even just watching it back myself I learnt a lot and took a lot of stuff away from it to work on. So my advice for people, whether you want Xacius to critique or not is to watch yourself play.

[Daronicus]

DennisKnightPC, on January 17 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

Nepacaka - what Graphics card have you got_
On topic - this thread is a good idea. I recorded some gameplay (for the first time) that I was going to post for Xacius' critique but even just watching it back myself I learnt a lot and took a lot of stuff away from it to work on. So my advice for people, whether you want Xacius to critique or not is to watch yourself play.

I second this.  Every time I record a video, I watch it back.  It's amazing how many of your team's mistakes suddenly become your own.  "Oh; I just wasn't looking at my radar," is a common one for me.  And the reason that guy wasn't taking any damage despite you throwing everything at him_  Yeah, it's because you weren't hitting him.

Edited by Daronicus, January 17 2014 - 06:26 PM.

[Paschar]

This is great, I just got started getting into streaming and have only recorded one match so far, so some feedback from someone much more experienced than myself would be awesome!  I know you're overwhelmed here, so I'll patiently wait

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[Daronicus]

Paschar, on January 17 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

This is great, I just got started getting into streaming and have only recorded one match so far, so some feedback from someone much more experienced than myself would be awesome!  I know you're overwhelmed here, so I'll patiently wait

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Just to give you a little nugget of immediate feedback while you wait for some more in-depth stuff from Xacius (I know this is his thread and all, but hopefully you and he don't mind--if either of you do, I'll shut up):  the biggest thing that stood out to me was the fight at about 5:15.  You spent way too much time in the open, in my opinion, for a heat Infil.  Especially with what I'm pretty sure was an enemy SS in plain view up there to the top right.  A halfway decent SS with Powershot up would have done some hurt on you.  Edit:  forgot the constructive part.  Try to play the corners more.  In that spot on Origin, it's fairly easy to get up and over the big platform to your left.  Flank, do some damage, cause chaos, etc.  Let classes with a little more health hold the line in the open while you focus on hitting some juicy targets.

Other than that, it seems like you're a little reliant on the heat's splash (you miss a lot if you can't hit their feet).  So I guess I'd say work a bit on aiming and leading with it, so you can land a direct shot.

Edited by Daronicus, January 17 2014 - 08:11 PM.

[Paschar]

Daronicus, on January 17 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Other than that, it seems like you're a little reliant on the heat's splash (you miss a lot if you can't hit their feet).  So I guess I'd say work a bit on aiming and leading with it, so you can land a direct shot.

I appreciate the feedback! Looking at that battle it was a bit risky with that SS up there and even a couple other enemies roaming closely.  I will say one of the reasons I love, love, love Inf is for the splash of heat/GL - I don't necessarily try to play precise with it, I think because I know I don't have to.  I hardly ever use EOC for this very reason.  -- On the flip side, I still haven't even bought heat for my scout.  ninjaeditgo!- I do purposely aim at feet with heat to take advantage of splash damage... old school quake RL lover

Edited by Paschar, January 17 2014 - 08:10 PM.

[Daronicus]

Paschar, on January 17 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

Daronicus, on January 17 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Other than that, it seems like you're a little reliant on the heat's splash (you miss a lot if you can't hit their feet).  So I guess I'd say work a bit on aiming and leading with it, so you can land a direct shot.

I appreciate the feedback! Looking at that battle it was a bit risky with that SS up there and even a couple other enemies roaming closely.  I will say one of the reasons I love, love, love Inf is for the splash of heat/GL - I don't necessarily try to play precise with it, I think because I know I don't have to.  I hardly ever use EOC for this very reason.  -- On the flip side, I still haven't even bought heat for my scout.  ninjaeditgo!- I do purposely aim at feet with heat to take advantage of splash damage... old school quake RL lover

Feeling dangerous situations is something you will learn with experience (and honestly is the only way to learn it).  As soon as that fight started, I tensed right up, even just watching.  Even with the ishky quality (I couldn't determine the icon and could barely make out the Res silhouette), I knew it was an SS just from where he was standing.  I don't say this to toot my own horn but to say that one day you'll watch that video and wince, which will be an excellent indication of growth.

As for heat, part of why I mentioned it is because the splash is really quite large, and though I don't have any data to substantiate this, I would not be entirely surprised to see it receive a balance pass in the future.  If you like the weapon, it might be worth honing skills in case of such an eventuality.

[Paschar]

Very good points, thanks a lot! I love feedback and look forward to having time to watch some other folks' videos as well!

[shosca]

Hey wait a minute.. I'm getting an idea.. No.. False alarm.. No.. yea.. no.. yea.. wait no.. YES!

How about this. A new section to TheCockpit, where the hosts pick a video and do commentary on it.

Edited by shosca, January 18 2014 - 06:30 PM.

[Lucier]

Xacius, on January 17 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Lucier's Assault (entire first video complete)

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Lucier, on January 17 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

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This one was a little easier to comment on because the other team was dominating, putting you in tense circumstances that required more attention. It also helps that I was in the match, and remember particular instances of that specific game.  
UPTOWN SEGMENT

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Uptown is naturally a stalemate map, so I'll mostly be commenting on segments where combat is flowing.  
1:30 - As you go up the lift, you ignore the target behind you for the one in front.  Having played with you a lot in the previous couple of months, I've seen you do this on numerous occasions.  
Generally you're going to want to turn and face the most relevant threat.  Here, you fire at an enemy who is boosting away, potentially drawing their attention while ignoring the target behind you that is already shooting at you.  
Luckily, the target backs off and heads straight for the combat.  Around 1:39, you should probably have repaired instead of heading into the engagement with 3/5 health.  

1:42 to 1:44 - Notice how I slowly start to back off to the right as the enemy team overwhelms us.  Your positioning here is questionable, especially considering the fact that you're utilizing a close-range weapon.  

1:44 - You've attracted the attention of one pissed off Lion, and he doesn't appear to like you very much.  You did, however, wrack up considerable damage as he approached, but by the time you backed off down below, his team had already swarmed the area and destroyed the rest of ours.

2:40 - now that's what I call poaching.  Try to be more patient with your TOWs, especially against evasive targets.  

2:57 - Here you stand still for about 2-3 seconds after you've acquired the falling Brawler.  That's where you get EMP'd and are forced to back off temporarily, allowing the Brawler to damage your teammates.

4:14 - Nice back-dodge.  Backing off to your allies was definitely the right move in that situation.

6:00 - Try to manage the distance of those TOWs a little better.  That Scout target was in a terrible position.

So far: your accuracy is great, but your positioning needs a little bit of work.  You also need to be able to discern which threat is more relevant to your survival.  You often get tunnel vision and go straight for a single target while avoiding deadlier opposition.

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10:54 - As you're zoning on the raider, your movement takes a hit.  You're still walking, but you're getting pegged with their secondary.  Mix up movements and put more emphasis on dodging.  

11:06 to 11:10 - poor positioning.  When in doubt, back up to the nearest point of safety.

11:16 - your positioning got you killed.  

11:44 - good push.

11:54 to 11:59 - you're moving your mouse around a lot, missing shots.  Not sure if you were trying to anticipate the Scout's movements, but it looked a little strange.  Try not to tense up.  If you keep your hand relaxed, your aim will be more consistent.  

12:03 - you focused so much on tracking the Scout that you overheated.  
common mistake, happens to me sometimes too.  Manage one thing at a time!

12:40 to 14:00 good positioning overall

13:39 - softland using hover right before you land.  You should never be taking damage from a fall unless you're out of fuel.  

14:30 - here's where things get hectic and you make a lot of mistakes.  

14:33 - the spinup time for the Vulcan is low enough for you to be able to stop firing while targets are temporarily out of view.  Stopping also resets spread and increases the viable range of the weapon.  

14:38 - Look very closely and observe how your mouse aim is practically shaking.  To me, this indicates that you're tensing up.  Try to stay relaxed, especially in difficult engagements.  

14:41 - here, you fire your TOW rocket as soon as it comes off of cooldown, hitting the ally in front of you and missing out on potential damage.  Sometimes you need to be patient and wait for the right time to fire.  Don't just fire simply because your weapon is available, because you might miss.  

14:45 - note the minimap around 14:30.  You can clearly see where all of your allies are, yet you've chosen to position yourself away from them.  Had you backed off towards your allies, you may have survived.  
I believe this is an issue of tunnel vision.  You zoned in on that Scout and didn't even try to leave until he was dead.  Sometimes you have to break off, even if the target isn't dead.  Luckily, your ally secured the kill shortly after your death.

15:08 - That was a questionable jumppad decision, seeing as the majority of your allies were halfway across the map.  

16:00 - Instead of dealing with the Scout threat to your right, you chase the Raider that you had originally targeted.  The Scout follows you and continues to attack as you tunnel in on the Raider.  Had you stayed up top and dealt with the Scout first, you may have been able to go positive in that engagement.  

16:41 - nice block.

16:52 - Great positioning.  After you and an ally scare away the A-class up top, you follow up and assist an ally down below by raining fire on chasing opponents.  Watch closely: you actually isolated the C-class from the engagement by diverting his attention to your fire and forcing him to back off.  Not only does this lead to a kill at 17:10, but it also helps your ally survive.  

17:10 - Right before the C-class dies, your mini-map clearly indicates that 3 red dots are approaching your position.  You should have prepared to engage them by staying behind cover and waiting for their approach.  Instead, you stay out in the open.  

17:15 - More tunneling on the Scout, causing you to ignore the targets to your left until it's too late.  You should have backed off behind cover before receiving fire from the enemies approaching from the left.  

17:54 - Great radar awareness.  Killing the isolated enemy is always easier than taking on the entire pack.  

18:45 - Even before you hit the ground, you can clearly see that you are surrounded by 4 enemies.  I would have gone straight back up the lift in that situation.  

18:52 - you try to head back to the lift, but by that time it's already too late.

All in all, decent accuracy and great damage, but your situational awareness and positioning is spotty.  Oftentimes you stand out in the open in situations where you should have ducked behind cover for safety.  Try not to tunnel as much, and work on your accuracy in tense situations.  

Wow, thank you so much for this! I never realized how frequently get tunnel vision like that. Invaluable commentary.