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[Beefsweat]

yeah, adding more random art and gameplay design ideas of varying quality into the mix is really what hawken needs

Edited by Beefsweat, August 03 2014 - 11:09 PM.

[Houruck]

Beefsweat, on August 03 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

yeah, adding more random art and gameplay design ideas of varying quality into the mix is really what hawken needs

Nobody said they should let us have everything the community designed. TF2 might be not the best example, but the community made content is consistent in it, because the devs have to accept them before they implement it.

[Infyrno]

LONEDEADWOLF, on August 03 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

nepacaka, on August 03 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Sylhiri, on August 03 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

"We will build a better Bunker".

with black jack and fine womans

Hey hey hey...where will the ladies go_ huh...what about us..._ Ive got a roll of singles and i want a ladies club.....lol OMG that sounded bad....lol just don't tell anyone when you see me..Ill even give you a few bucks to keep it hush hush....lol

Wait hey Nep you wanna make some money...lol Then get to shaking on that table in front of you....lol omg ...lol

Cannot be unseen

[hawkenus]

nepacaka, on August 03 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

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so users can help you guys in creating maps

like a bunker. maps with lava. maps with acid. space maps. no.

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weapons

like a swords. shields. railguns. triple-barreled miniguns. even more miniguns. artillery cannons. no.

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items

like a mini-nukes. acid-bombs. bananas grenade. no

so just quit making your arts etc... as noone cares..._
why you create your work_
why there is mech hangar where comunity can talk what they can add to game_
why are you sonegative about this as it's 3D, and you do the same work in 2D and text_

we are talking about quality material, not some random fuzzy bunny,
in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team
in simplest way OpenSource>Closed Source Game (I'm talking about releasing SDK)

[AsianJoyKiller]

hawkenus, on August 04 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team

Players have some of the worst ideas possible, and with a staggering frequency.
In most cases, the ideas coming from the community are junk. Complete and utter garbage.

[Houruck]

AsianJoyKiller, on August 04 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

hawkenus, on August 04 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team

Players have some of the worst ideas possible, and with a staggering frequency.
In most cases, the ideas coming from the community are junk. Complete and utter garbage.

This is why you filter them. Did you know we had game designer and artist players_ Have you ever seen erathic's, BradersVal's, Modius', defekt's or nepacaka's artworks_

Edited by Houruck, August 04 2014 - 08:21 AM.

[zorin1]

Sylhiri, on August 03 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

"We will build a better Bunker".

With underground tunnels.  

Zorin

[Aregon]

Houruck, on August 04 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on August 04 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

hawkenus, on August 04 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team

Players have some of the worst ideas possible, and with a staggering frequency.
In most cases, the ideas coming from the community are junk. Complete and utter garbage.

This is why you filter them. Did you know we had game designer and artist players_ Have you ever seen erathic's, BradersVal's, Modius', defekt's or nepacaka's artworks_

You just want your hula Houruck don't you_

[AsianJoyKiller]

Houruck, on August 04 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on August 04 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

hawkenus, on August 04 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team

Players have some of the worst ideas possible, and with a staggering frequency.
In most cases, the ideas coming from the community are junk. Complete and utter garbage.

This is why you filter them. Did you know we had game designer and artist players_ Have you ever seen erathic's, BradersVal's, Modius', defekt's or nepacaka's artworks_

Of course I have. If you hadn't noticed, I spend quite a bit of of time on the forums. Still wish we'd see some of erathic's UI ideas get implemented.

[nepacaka]

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You're being quite pessimistic here, not everyone will have the wrong idea of the game (according to your view of the game), and the devs would still select what is added and what is not (tf2 plox).
Also, artillery cannon/mortar is not a bad idea in itself, but probably doesn't fit in the moods of hawken mechas (more infantry soldiers than armored artillery), and we basically already have railgunds.

A SWAN, A PIKE AND A CRAYFISH

When there's no a consent in partner's will –
Then there'll be no a success in business,
And, thus, only the torture it will be.
Once a Swan, a Pike and a Crayfish
Were going to carry a heavy cart,
And harnessed all the three together;
To go out of their skins they tried,
But moving of the cart had failed!
Though the weight was rather light for them:
But the Swan pulled it right to heaven,
The Crayfish all the time moved back,
The Pike was carrying it to water.

Who was responsible at last for this mischap_
The cart is staying still without motion...


Author: Ivan Andreyevich Krylov, Russian fabulist.

[nepacaka]

Houruck, on August 04 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on August 04 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

hawkenus, on August 04 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team

Players have some of the worst ideas possible, and with a staggering frequency.
In most cases, the ideas coming from the community are junk. Complete and utter garbage.

This is why you filter them. Did you know we had game designer and artist players_ Have you ever seen erathic's, BradersVal's, Modius', defekt's or nepacaka's artworks_

in fact, to be an objective of my work is not entirely linked with the Hawken design. They probably similar, but they are different.

if I was a developer, Hawken players probably would never see anything but variations of bullet weapons and explosive weapons. with different combinations and changes in numbers. for me - it's okay. you would never see the other maps except Prosk and Uptown with old broken machines (not those pathetic cars that we have now). and probably would never see the sun in the Hawken universe.

But I'm not a developer. Many players love sun. love current cars (actually, i doubt in this ), love broken mechs like incinirator. and this is a difference, half players loves red colors, another half loves blue colors, but devs make a green colors, and find their unique players, who loves their own vision of game concept.

sorry if my english was incomprehensible

[LONEDEADWOLF]

nepacaka, on August 05 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

Houruck, on August 04 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

AsianJoyKiller, on August 04 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

hawkenus, on August 04 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

in most cases comunity users have better ideas than dev team

Players have some of the worst ideas possible, and with a staggering frequency.
In most cases, the ideas coming from the community are junk. Complete and utter garbage.

This is why you filter them. Did you know we had game designer and artist players_ Have you ever seen erathic's, BradersVal's, Modius', defekt's or nepacaka's artworks_

in fact, to be an objective of my work is not entirely linked with the Hawken design. They probably similar, but they are different.

if I was a developer, Hawken players probably would never see anything but variations of bullet weapons and explosive weapons. with different combinations and changes in numbers. for me - it's okay. you would never see the other maps except Prosk and Uptown with old broken machines (not those pathetic cars that we have now). and probably would never see the sun in the Hawken universe.

But I'm not a developer. Many players love sun. love current cars (actually, i doubt in this ), love broken mechs like incinirator. and this is a difference, half players loves red colors, another half loves blue colors, but devs make a green colors, and find their unique players, who loves their own vision of game concept.

sorry if my english was incomprehensible

Ok you said no sun in a game...lol Holy cows that would be awesome... Fighting with lights off the rack of the mech would so rule....lol   I love it...

[nepacaka]

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Ok you said no sun in a game...

I meant that the sun's light will be less, because of the alot of smoke, fog and smog on the town. never mind :У

Edited by nepacaka, August 05 2014 - 10:03 PM.

[Houruck]

nepacaka, on August 05 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

sorry if my english was incomprehensible

It was perfectly understandable.

And again, as I said they can filter the content by quality and only apply what they want to see. The hats in TF2 are not the best examples, but they accept great maps matching the unique style of the game.

[nepacaka]

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And again, as I said they can filter the content

ok that was i talking about.
you can choice one fruit from two. for example, you have:
1) apples
2) lemons

but i don't want lemons or apples. what i should do_
right, i made a my own fruit
3) bananas

ta-da!

now you understand. devs made a bananas. players made a lemons and apples, not matter how cool apples be. it's not a bananas. it's not a bananas. it's not a bananas. it's not a bananas................

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Spoiler

also, i forgot main argument.

so, how many peoples from 1000 players know 3D-max or other editors to make a maps or mechs_ not really much i think. maybe 5%.

how next answer. how many players can totally repeat hawken style and make a mech with quality and conception like devs_ if it was another 5% from 5%, we have....2,5 people from 1000 who really can make somthing.

so, devs really need spend alot of time (trying read 1000 letters for example ) to make system which can be used like "players creator" if actually something useful can make only 20-30 people_ maybe, less expensive hire one designer who does the same thing_
or make an event/competition_ Where the winner mech will be added to the game_

or maybe, better spent this time to making anti-cheat_

Edited by nepacaka, August 06 2014 - 11:37 AM.

[hawkenus]

You really are dumb or just trolling or not understand english...
We are talking here about helping developers creating the game, not just only ideas, we are talking about 3D models with proper info about them what it will be doing.
You do literally the same in 2D and text.
It not matter here what percent of guys how or will do something, the possibility and opportunity to create matters.
Devs can always take somebody work and modificate it, so it won't be that time consuming and a lemon will still be a lemon, just genetically modificated to be better and resistant.
If nothing will be a quality work, simple... it won't be added.

[JeffMagnum]

I would rather see the devs spend money and resources on actually improving the game and keeping it alive than on hiring a team to pick a few salvageable user-submitted ideas out of the sea of awful ones.

[nepacaka]

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You really are dumb

sometimes it's happens

JeffMagnum, on August 07 2014 - 02:36 AM, said:

I would rather see the devs spend money and resources on actually improving the game and keeping it alive than on hiring a team to pick a few salvageable user-submitted ideas out of the sea of awful ones.

^ This guy said, what I wanted to say in one sentence.

Edited by nepacaka, August 07 2014 - 03:24 AM.

[Vdragon]

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also, i forgot main argument.

so, how many peoples from 1000 players know 3D-max or other editors to make a maps or mechs_ not really much i think. maybe 5%.

how next answer. how many players can totally repeat hawken style and make a mech with quality and conception like devs_ if it was another 5% from 5%, we have....2,5 people from 1000 who really can make somthing.

so, devs really need spend alot of time (trying read 1000 letters for example ) to make system which can be used like "players creator" if actually something useful can make only 20-30 people_ maybe, less expensive hire one designer who does the same thing_

or make an event/competition_ Where the winner mech will be added to the game_

It worked for star citizen.
There ARE people that can make stuffs for hawken, for free.

[hawkenus]

This could really saved the HAWKEN, too bad now it's too late...