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[DarkPulse]

Heat gain per weapon:

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• Assault Rifle: 1.08 per bullet
  
• TOW Rocket: 12.5 per rocket
  
• Submachine Cannon: 0.8125 per bullet
  
• Grenade Launcher: 12.5 per grenade
  
• HEAT Cannon: 10 per shot
  
• Sabot Rifle: 12.5 per shot
  
• SA Hawkins: 1.8125 per bullet
  
• Slug Rifle: 9.6875 per shot
  
• Flak Cannon: 11.1 per shot
  
• Hellfire Missiles: 12.5 per missile load
  
• EOC Repeater: 3.3333 per shot
  
• Point-D Vulcan: 1.05 per shot

I may have missed a few, sorry if I did! (I haven't maxed all the classes to L20, so not sure on any extra alternate weapons). If I did miss one, let me know and I'll get the value.

Edited by DarkPulse, November 10 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[ArnieF4440]

D20Face, on November 10 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

ArnieF4440, on November 10 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Umm, just updated the weapon chart with the Point-D Vulcan ... and ... umm ... 127.4 DPS. Making it the best gun in the game. If you put a lot of stuff into reducing heat, you have a death cannon that can keep going ...

Doesn't help that the Assault Mech has the weapons coolant ability which effectively doubles your continuous fire time ...

I personally consider the Flak more useful. They're both up there, but they both have pretty piss ranges.

The burstyness of the flak and lack of spinup makes it better for finishing people off and it's easier to aim because shotgun.

Your stats are also missing a lot of numbers. For example the EOC repeater does both explosive and direct hit damage but only one is listed. It also does a 3 shot volley instead of just hitting once.

Somebody who didn't delete their old .inis would be better suited to making a weapon chart.

I got those specs from ingame going through the mech shop XD. Obviously the heat cannon and EOC does more damage in their charged state, I just haven't gotten exacts yet XD

(ini's not touched since CBE1, can't find which one has the stats though XD)

[DarkPulse]

I can get those numbers, but I need to sleep first. Spent the last 8 hours playing, and normally I would've been in bed 5-6 hours ago.

[Askis]

A question:
Is there any way to stock up on items in Siege/Missile Assault, without getting killed_

[MVRS]

woah i didnt know the TOW can be air bursted... (and im level 15 alrdy, FML LOL )

[ArnieF4440]

MVRS, on November 10 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

woah i didnt know the TOW can be air bursted... (and im level 15 alrdy, FML LOL )

Lol, yep, its pretty useful XD

Askis, on November 10 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

A question:
Is there any way to stock up on items in Siege/Missile Assault, without getting killed_

Currently, items don't regenerate, there's been discussion into this and the opinions divided towards not having them regenerate (last time i checked). You just gotta die for now, but IMO its more useful staying alive

[DarkPulse]

Damage Values. Please note that for anything splash, the damage assumes a "perfect" splash - i.e; one where it basically detonated just inches from the center of the explosion without actually hitting them. Actual splash values will therefore likely be somewhat less in practice.

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• Assault Rifle: 12 per bullet.
  
• TOW Rocket: 225 per rocket (direct hit). Splash Radius, 950 UU. Shakes the camera if the explosion occurs within 2200 UU.
  
• Submachine Cannon: 10 per bullet.
  
• Grenade Launcher: 245 per grenade (direct hit). Splash Radius, 750 UU, triggers detonation if enemy is within 250 UU, or auto-detonates after 9.75 seconds if no enemy triggers it. Shakes the camera if the explosion occurs within 2200 UU.
  
• HEAT Cannon: Uncharged/Charged: 90/155 per shot. Splash Radius, 450/750 UU. Shakes the camera if the explosion occurs within 1600/2400 UU.
  
• Sabot Rifle: 185 per shot.
  
• SA Hawkins: 19 per bullet.
  
• Slug Rifle: 80 per shot.
  
• Flak Cannon: 13 per trace x 12 traces = max of 156 damage if all traces hit.
  
• Hellfire Missiles: 30 per missile x 8 missiles launched = max of 240 damage if all missiles hit. Splash Radius, 500 UU.
  
• EOC Repeater: 15 per shot if direct hit. 20 per shot if it's explosive. Splash Radius, 700 UU, triggers explosion if enemy is within 350 UU, or auto-detonates after 5 seconds if no enemy triggers it. Shakes the camera if the explosion occurs within 1200 UU.
  
• Point-D Vulcan: 14 per bullet.

Edited by DarkPulse, November 12 2012 - 03:34 AM.

[xiphaz]

lol wtf is with the spoilers for heat gain.. this isnt a story driven single player game guys, spare us the spoiler warnings

[D20Face]

xiphaz, on November 11 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

lol wtf is with the spoilers for heat gain.. this isnt a story driven single player game guys, spare us the spoiler warnings

It's to compress the posts, not hide anything.

And I'd like the numbers for the abilities if you have the time DarkPulse. I assume you're getting these from the various .ini files right_

Oh, and you seem to have missed a number for the HEAT. Charged does a bit more damage with (I believe) slightly more heat. Should be something like loaded_cannonball or something.

[ArnieF4440]

xiphaz, on November 11 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

lol wtf is with the spoilers for heat gain.. this isnt a story driven single player game guys, spare us the spoiler warnings

D20Face, on November 11 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

xiphaz, on November 11 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

lol wtf is with the spoilers for heat gain.. this isnt a story driven single player game guys, spare us the spoiler warnings

It's to compress the posts, not hide anything.

that, you should see how long the original post is XD.

Anyways, I've got exams until the 14th, so I'll update the thread after that (soz guys, gotta prioritize XD).

[Rainier]

I like to place my turrets in a spot that will camouflage them- not directly on the ground where they stand out, unless it's an emergency.  (this is particularly true in Sahara.)  IE: Right next to a building or a visually "noisy" area with lots of details, where it'll blend in.  During siege mode, I like placing them near the AA before the ships launch, while everyone else is busy gathering EU.

I also like putting my radar scanner/scrambler high on the scenery, out of sight.

[h0B0]

Here is my contribution.

[Rainier]

I'd just like to also note how great it is that a topic like this exists, not just because it's helpful, but it means that the game is good enough to have depth and strategy that's worthy of discussion.  I'm wondering how much is planned_  IE tracking your TOW from the light it casts- that's such a clever idea, but was that the intent_  And if it wasn't, how awesome! Simple, effective elements creating complexity all on their own!

Awesome awesome.  I want to shower the developers with love.

[WasteGate]

^^^^
Sounds kinky,mebbe the Devs need some new raingear.....

[DarkPulse]

D20Face, on November 11 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Oh, and you seem to have missed a number for the HEAT. Charged does a bit more damage with (I believe) slightly more heat. Should be something like loaded_cannonball or something.

You're right, I forgot about that. That's now added.

D20Face, on November 11 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

And I'd like the numbers for the abilities if you have the time DarkPulse. I assume you're getting these from the various .ini files right_

Yeah, I've got those. Though for the most part they're only mildly special.

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• Weapon Damage Ability: Adds 10% damage. Lasts for 10 seconds. Cooldown of 60 seconds.
  
• Damage Absorb Ability: Reduces all damage taken by 15%. Lasts for 10 seconds. Cooldown of 60 seconds.
  
• Camouflage Ability: Turns player nearly invisible. Lasts for 8 seconds. Cooldown of 60 seconds.
  
• Weapons Coolant Ability: Removes all heat buildup. Lasts for 15 seconds. Cooldown of 60 seconds.
  
• Fuel Reserves Ability: Adds back 8 units of fuel in 1 second. Cooldown of 60 seconds.
  
• Mobile Turret: Takes 5 seconds to transform. Movement speed is 400 UU/sec. All types of damage are reduced by 60%.
  
• Artillery Turret: Takes 5 seconds to transform. Weapons do 5% more damage. All types of damage are reduced by 65%.
  
• Fortified Turret: Takes 5 seconds to transform. Mech regains 8 Armor/second. All types of damage are reduced by 65%.
  
• Jet Boosters: Increases walking speed by 150 UU/sec, running speed by 250 UU/sec, and boost speed by 500 UU/sec. Decreases Walk-to-Run transition time by .25 seconds and decreases stop-to-walk transition time by .25 seconds. Lasts for 10 seconds. Cooldown of 60 seconds.

[D20Face]

Dem turret modes...

[DarkPulse]

Projectile speeds. Only applicable where there is an actual projectile being fired. I will list all weapons currently in the game for completeness' sake; anything that is instant hit will be labeled as "hitscan."

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• Assault Rifle: Hitscan.
  
• TOW Rocket: Starts at 2500 UU per second. Maxes at 25,000 UU per second. Accelerates at 2000 UU per second.
  
• Submachine Cannon: Hitscan.
  
• Grenade Launcher: 12,000 UU per second.
  
• HEAT Cannon: 10,000 UU per second uncharged, 20,000 UU per second charged.
  
• Sabot Rifle: Hitscan.
  
• SA Hawkins: Hitscan.
  
• Slug Rifle: Hitscan.
  
• Flak Cannon: Hitscan.
  
• Hellfire Missiles: Starts at 1500 UU per second. Maxes at 7500 UU per second. Accelerates by 1250 UU per second.
  
• EOC Repeater: 10,000 UU per second.
  
• Point-D Vulcan: Hitscan.

Edited by DarkPulse, November 12 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[DarkPulse]

Since I posted this in another thread, may as well post it here too.

XP gained in a nutshell:

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• Damage: 0-100 XP depending on how much damage you did. Straight-up percentile.
  
• Kill: 20 XP. (Thus, a full kill on an enemy mech where you did all damage should net you 120 XP pretty much every time, unless other factors apply.)
  
• Assist: 10 XP.
  
• Killstreaks: Bonus 45 XP at 3 kills, 35 XP at 5 kills, 25 XP at 7 kills.
  
• Ending a killstreak: 25.
  
• Multikills: 40 XP for a double kill, 35 XP for a triple kill, 30 XP for a quadra kill, 25 XP for a super kill, 20 XP for a mega kill (AKA wiping out the whole enemy team). If you score it, you net yourself an extra 150 XP from the cumulative bonuses. Each kill must be within 6 seconds of the previous one.
  
• Avenger: 10 XP. Must kill someone who killed a teammate within 5 seconds of the teammate's death.
  
• Revenge: 15 XP. Only counts for the person who last killed you. I think you can kill other people in the interim, but obviously this gets set to someone else every respawn.
  
• Nemesis: 75 XP. This person must have killed you five times before they qualify as a Nemesis. I'm not sure if the kills have to be consecutive or not.
  
• Savior: 15 XP. To qualify as a Savior, your teammate must be under 25% armor, they must have been damaged by the person you killed within the last 5 seconds, and they have to have dealt at least 50% of the damage your teammate has suffered.
  
• Zero Deaths: 200 XP. Match must be at least five minutes long.
  
• EU Transfer: 1 XP per EU.
  
• Battleship turret destruction: 125 XP.
  
• Battleship engine destruction: 200 XP.
  
• Unscathed Base bonus (Siege): 200 XP if your base never takes damage.
  
• AA Control (friendly): 100 XP for converting the AA from neutral to friendly. 75 XP for the entire team every 10 seconds you control the AA. 10 XP for every kill made in the AA's radius.
  
• AA Control (hostile): 150 XP for the entire team every time you launch an AA missile. 25 XP for every kill made in the AA's radius.
  
• AA Control (misc): 15 XP if you and your enemy are both in the AA radius when you get a kill. 10 XP for a successful AA attack or defense.
  
• AA Control (Assist): 10 XP if you and your enemy are both in the AA radius when you get an assist. 5 XP for a successful AA attack assist or defense assist.
  
• Silo conversion: 25 XP.
  
• Silo Control: 100 XP for any kill made in the silo's control radius. 15 XP if you and your enemy are both in the AA radius when you get a kill. 10 XP for a successful AA attack or defense.
  
• Silo Control (Assist): 10 XP if you and your enemy are both in the AA radius when you get an assist. 5 XP for a successful AA attack assist or defense assist.

Hawken Points gained in a nutshell (yes, this takes the doubling from A2 to CBE2 into effect). BE ADVISED, THIS INFO IS PROBABLY SLIGHTLY INCORRECT. Anything I am not sure on, I put question marks instead:

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• Maximum that can ever be obtained in any single match: 360 HP_
  
• Time Bonus: 5.3 HP per minute of play_
  
• Match win (SG): 45 HP.
  
• Match win (MA): 28 HP.
  
• Match win (TDM): 20 HP.
  
• Match win (DM): _ HP.
  
• Match loss (SG): 25 HP.
  
• Match loss (MA_): _ HP.
  
• Match loss (TDM): 13 HP.
  
• Match loss (DM): 10 HP.
  
• Place finishes (SG): 25/_/_/_/_/_ for 1st-6th place.
  
• Place finishes (MA): 15/12/9_/6_/3_/0_ for 1st-6th place.
  
• Place finishes (TDM): 13/8/_/_/_/_ for 1st-6th place.
  
• Place finishes (DM): _/20/_/_/_/_ for 1st-6th+ place.

Edited by DarkPulse, November 12 2012 - 03:55 PM.

[Emnesty]

This thread needs a sticky.

[ArnieF4440]

Ok, I'm back from exams and I've updated everything except DarkPulse's posts on weapons and EXP. I'm gonna compile them into a proper chart with the available details.

Also, here's some details regarding the Heat Cannon, this is from a discussion with DarkPulse. Basically, charged = more damage + more speed + more splash - rate of fire

DarkPulse, on November 11 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

ArnieF4440, on November 11 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

I don't doubt your wrong, the stats have been the same since CBE1 so maybe adhesive games staff haven't updated it for a while, lol. I dunno if I can find a collaborator, but this thread has some testing results for weapons and some items:
http://community.pla...have-collected/

Also, i think the charged Heat cannon does about 150 damage (fired at a wall point blank and tested my health), is a bit faster (fraps video analysis shooting at the same target), and has bigger splash damage compared to uncharged Heat Cannon.

Then that proves my values correct. I took a look in the files and found an entry that relates to the charged HEAT Cannon shot (HawkenGame.R_Proj_LoadedCannonBall).

• Damage: 155
  
• Damage Radius: 750 UU
  
• Camera Shake Radius: 2400 UU
  
• Projectile Speed: 20,000 UU

The uncharged shot, for reference:

• Damage: 90
  
• Damage Radius: 450 UU
  
• Camera Shake Radius: 1600 UU
  
• Projectile Speed: 10,000 UU

Obviously, the damage is for a direct hit. Since you shot it at a wall but didn't take a direct hit, it was slightly less - 150 or so.

Speed is indeed also faster, as I noted above.

EDIT: Added a video section to the original post also

Edited by ArnieF4440, November 14 2012 - 01:41 AM.