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[nepacaka]

First of all, some positive things which i like. If abstraction from bugs, FPS drop, and high lag which i have.

- new movement. 
I don't know why but i like it. mechas now floating like a "boat". hmm...cool

now, things which i don't like in general.

balance:
- new turret modes. it is awful.

- 36M
In general, with 0% frontal armor it is literally useless even with tech. Without allow to movement (at least walking) You are "Free frag". Here some way in my opinion.
1) Allow to him +10% Frontal armor, decrease back armor debuff to 0%
2) Allow to him +15% Frontal armor, and -20% back armor.
3) Decrease % damage to 50%, but instead turret, allow mech in current state (as a walking turret). Allow 36M walk and dodge, but restricted to use boost, jump, dodge, air-dodge, and 180. (imo - this is the best solution for 36M)

- New grenadier.
The same problem with turret, without armor you can be killed in 3 second, and you deal with it. Repair orbs not help you, because you got all the damage in your face.
solution:
1) +10% armor will be great for start. than see how it working with tech. Obviously, gren have a high buff in turret mode, so several gren with tech can cause some pain in ass if have high armor rate while turret mode, but 0% it is too weak.

- the second about G1 and G2 grenadier.
G1 grenadier now have all weapon pack from old hawken (richochet revGL, heat, vulcan and GL), and is great.
it is possible to make an exception for gren, and making the mechs stats of G1 and G2 equal? And return some sort of old ability for gren - "increase weapon splash to 20-30%, on 10 second". gren no need damage buff i think (bacoz imba)

with this we can have 2 alternative grenadiers, one gren for mobile fight with classic weapon. and the second is new G2, which can be a revGL AA-spammer.

- Brawler.
Brawler turret mode sucking so long. It is very situational, and it is really cost something only with Hawkins. with flak or vulcan it useless by range, and some overheat problems.
The whole logic of Brawler turret mode is broken long time ago, due the different regenerate rate after ascention (HP regen decreased twice if you got damage, and increased if you not get damage by 10 sec). it is ridiculous, which sense of it? using turret for heal? meh, i can press C and repair 4 times faster instad slowly regenerate myself, and low HP regen while fight literally not help Brawler.
solution:
1) Swap the regeneration rate instead. If you got damage, you regeneration rate Increased twice. If you not get damage 10 sec., you regeneration rate will be x2 slower/less.
2) The second way - just increase Brawler frontal armor to 15% or 20%.

- Vanguard Cupcake (Initiative)
Why Cupcake stats is not G2? G2 mech now is a "top-content". So, V.I. Cupcake is just useless mech. It is wrong.



- Camouflages and G2-mechs bodyparts.

G2 mechs have a Elite body which cost ~4500 HC. it is OK. But! you can't put your camouflage on it. wut?
Default G2 body (black carbon) is also not allow you put your favorite camo on it.
Maybe i don't want (don't like) use gold, transparent, or tentacle body part? WHY?

so, devs (c05) please, allow players buy a "default" body on G2 mechs (like you did with "Elite" body). I mean, you SHOULD buy default legs, arms, torso, and body, and put on it every camouflage which you want. Maybe i want put on G2 brawler my Alpha or Beta camoulage, but i can't. It is a problem. 

You literally take away from the player the opportunity to create your own unique mech, and appearance. You take the player's personality. This is mistake. At current moment G2 mechs is clones which can use Black or gold appearance. it is ugly. Why i should play on ugly-looking mech? meh...

- Also
c05, Think about allow to player change mechs body parts (like we can do this before). 


- techical issues.
It is possible to allow game working on 32 bit windows (x86), with 64 bit only you difinetely cut some player who play on not good PC. when player try to play they stuck with this. there some players who ask in our group "how launch hawken on 32" (and some people are speechless and don't want to ask on forum, they just leave... because).
for my personal example, i'm special reinstalled Windows7 for Hawken. But i'm "fuzzy bunny hawken zealot", some people not do this specially for "another game", because i was very angry when i know that i need copy all infos and spent several days to reinstall needed programs.
i always play since 2012 and use XP, and i want to play in some new games, which is working only on W7 or x64, but i never reinstall my windows for them, because i think: "meh, it is a good game, but I'm not ready to reinstall everything on my PC for the sake of this game!". I think the are some people who not play regularry and not in a "gamers" culture in general, follow the same logic. I mean, they wouldn't reinstall everything if they are not trully hawken fans.

- FPS problem.
well. you know about it.
If you look at "History", it is ridiculous how hawken "downgrade" since 2012. Every time, after every big patch, game FPS is lower and lower, and looking more and more ugly. Just lol.
2012 hawken have stabile 60 fps. ascension have 30-90. now it have 20-120. 
someone can explain me, how we get. Why 2012 build with "hard" smoke and all of these effects working better, than current "Clipped version" when devs delete all the effects, smoke, fog etc. Just impossibru to understand. In my opinion, if you decrease graphics, game should working faster, am i right?

high fps is also very important for any online game. (especially fast paced shooter). pls try to do something with this.
 

Edited by nepacaka, 30 May 2017 - 09:45 PM.

[EM1O]

why am i still playing this game after reading this???  i got special XP x64 bit from piratebay.se, then the x64super Ultimate  windows 7.

now what?  is this why my game freezes up sev\\aeral times a night with these people?

 

and don't even start on that code abortion named windoze 10

 

when windoze 12 comes out, wake me up.

Edited by EM1O, 30 May 2017 - 09:36 PM.

[nepacaka]

why am i still playing this game after reading this??? 

i hav de samu questin...

personally, i "clipped" my win7, cut off some services and function, to decrease win7 memory eating from 2GB to 300-400 mb like winXP does.
but... what the hell, it is riduculous to do something like this to play in one game. And what you should do if you not a "mom's hacker" or just an average gamer, who don't understard nothing in PC techlogies? are u sersly think that people should do something like this to play in games. (obviously... No!)

What if i just want to play from my notebook while have a 10min break? i just can't. cuz foking game not lauching now.

[Bergwein]

- new movement. 
I don't know why but i like it. mechas now floating like a "boat". hmm...cool

 

I actually, genuinely, hate this.

Tastes probably differ, but this floaty feeling is really off-putting for me.

I want to know that my mech does exactly what I tell it to do with the controls. Press button - start. Release button - stop.

Right now it just feels like movement in any direction has +3% added to it and that's SUPER IRRITATING.

[The_Crab]

If you look at "History", it is ridiculous how hawken "downgrade" since 2012. Every time, after every big patch, game FPS is lower and lower, and looking more and more ugly. Just lol.

 

This is always the case with games. Every update worsens performance, probably due to issues with reading hard-drive data (See: GTA4's huge performance boost by defragmenting the installation folder)

It's worse than most on Hawken because it's still using Unreal 3, but a lot of the issues they had in 2012-2013 were resolved by the single (and pretty temporary) technical artist that Reloaded had. If 505 hired a technical artist/graphics programmer or put an existing one to work on Hawken, I'm sure it could be resolved somewhat.

[claisolais]

cupcakes are suppose to be earlier than the first generation. Call it G0.

Nerf old mechs? Yes so you'll have to spend your saving to buy new mechs, market strategy.

[nepacaka]

cupcakes are suppose to be earlier than the first generation. Call it G0.

Nerf old mechs? Yes so you'll have to spend your saving to buy new mechs, market strategy.

cupcake is a mech which you can't buy. don't see any reason to not make it a top-content.

Edited by nepacaka, 31 May 2017 - 05:57 AM.

[nepacaka]

Tastes probably differ, but this floaty feeling is really off-putting for me.

I want to know that my mech does exactly what I tell it to do with the controls. Press button - start. Release button - stop.

it have some logic from "realistic" point of view. when you walking, you can't stop immideately, due the acceleration. especially, if you are 2 tonnes machine.
i don't know why, but when i play i feel that mech move comfortable. can't explain why, just feeling.

[frostdragon2013]

you missed out the dismal ability that the vytro is forced to use

[FRX23]

I ll add this for the moment :

 

- Reduced hitbox or whatever makes feel it is smaller (hit reg issues ?).

 

That explicitly nerf sustain weaps... Once again i feel that only 'pro top hero aimers' were part of the tests and discuss (correct me if i' m wrong).

[Meraple]

C-classes turn incredibly slow now compared to pre-patch, B-classes seem to turn slower as well.

It feels really bad and makes cqc against A-classes a pain.

 

 

Once again i feel that only 'pro top hero aimers' were part of the tests and discuss (correct me if i' m wrong).

Incorrect.

[FRX23]

C-classes turn incredibly slow now compared to pre-patch, B-classes seem to turn slower as well.

It feels really bad and makes cqc against A-classes a pain.

 

 

Incorrect.

 

Yeah, there is an internal that speeds up the turn rate but I didn't try it yet. I hate the idea to loose some slots for a thing i previously have.

[Liederkranz]

it have some logic from "realistic" point of view. when you walking, you can't stop immideately, due the acceleration. especially, if you are 2 tonnes machine.
i don't know why, but when i play i feel that mech move comfortable. can't explain why, just feeling.

 

I honestly didn't notice that happening. I actually notice a lack of momentum after boosting. If you boost and release, the mech stops right away. There was some momentum before. Now it just stops as if there's a wall in front of it.

 

Also, I have the feeling that now the "camera" is lower. You see everything from a lower angle now, and you can't even look over objects that were below line of sight before.

[nepacaka]

I ll add this for the moment :

 

- Reduced hitbox or whatever makes feel it is smaller (hit reg issues ?).

 

That explicitly nerf sustain weaps... Once again i feel that only 'pro top hero aimers' were part of the tests and discuss (correct me if i' m wrong).

i'm shoot a little in standing teamates in coop-TDM, the hitbox look the same, for example, A-class legs hitbox definitely larger than real legs is. it is looking the same for me.

about sustain/automatic weapons. i alwaus think not about "damage nerf", but about "damage before overheat nerf" (i.e. increase heat per bullet a little.

but now i have another opinion.

instead nerfing sustain weapons...let's buff a alpha-strike weapons. 
for example, increase damage before overheating for flak from 1080 to 1280 (+200 dmg)

it doesn't change the damage directly, but instead allow you shoot longer, and making several additional shots, before your heat will be a critical. It is good in term of 6vs6 massacre, where everyone shooting in everyone. i very often got situation when i kill 1-2 enemies, and have 99-100 overheat on brawler, and another 4 enemies is near, at the same time, assolt can continue shooting, and don't know any problem.

another variant, highly nerf all "cooling unit" abilities, to deleting 30% from current heat, and delete ability to -100% heat and ready weapons if you already overheat.

and the best way imo, is combining Dam.Bef.Overheat buff for alpha-strike weapons + nerf all the "cooling unit" abilities.
 

 

C-classes turn incredibly slow now compared to pre-patch, B-classes seem to turn slower as well.

 

put new RLD internal on it. problem solved.
:3
 

Edited by nepacaka, 31 May 2017 - 10:21 AM.

[nepacaka]

Just for clarify about Vanguard Cupcake.
In the mech-tree his place is near with standart G2-Vanguard. And i think, that Cupcake SHOULD have the same stats with G2-Van (be a G2-clone).
But something goes wrong, and probably it is just a "mistake" from RLD side. he is not near or below with G1, he is near with G2 in list.

Edited by nepacaka, 31 May 2017 - 10:24 AM.

[Malyngo]

cupcake is a mech which you can't buy. don't see any reason to not make it a top-content.

If newer people can't buy it, I think making it top-content wouldn't be a good idea. It's not cool to have high end stuff that new people cannot get.

[nepacaka]

If newer people can't buy it, I think making it top-content wouldn't be a good idea. It's not cool to have high end stuff that new people cannot get.

since ascension patch it is actually a "clone" of vanguard, with the same stats/weapons. you just pay for unique bodypart, which can be shared for all C-class mechs on your account. i don't see any sense to make useless a mech which you pay. (because G1 mech now don't cost nothing, because all G2 mechs is just better)

it also problem (imo) that now you can't use his body part for all G2 heavy mechs.

Edited by nepacaka, 31 May 2017 - 03:23 PM.

[claisolais]

cupcake is a mech which you can't buy. don't see any reason to not make it a top-content.

Cupcake is under the vanguard INITIATIVE bundle, according to Howken lore, newer generation will have better states, G0 might have worse state. 

 

 

 

 

Blame the Howken G2 system, let Devs know, or deal with it.

Dont think they'll remove Howken G2 system.

 

since ascension patch it is actually a "clone" of vanguard, with the same stats/weapons. you just pay for unique bodypart, which can be shared for all C-class mechs on your account. i don't see any sense to make useless a mech which you pay. (because G1 mech now don't cost nothing, because all G2 mechs is just better)

it also problem (imo) that now you can't use his body part for all G2 heavy mechs.

And blame they removed cross-torso customization, this might return in the future tho.

 

Exclusive chassis are good enough. If they launched those new(old) chassis into Hawken, I might have spent hundred of dollars, now I dont even wanna touch HC for G2s.

[LONEDEADWOLF]

Nepacaka!!! awesome to see you are still here.. I see your still as technical as always :) Some mechs do feel off... I need to relearn them....lol Just wanted to say hi and hope your doing great.

[Leghorn10314]

After a little confusion at the start of this major update, I am having way more fun playing than before, or for the last long time - it has attracted more players and that opens combat up a little; more servers with co-op is very helpful for trying to meet the daily goals, another great idea.

I would like chat between rounds. I would like access to the garage without leaving a match, or in-between matches, to tweak items/internals/weapons.

The game is not as bright as it was and looks softer; other than a slightly lower camera eye, I've adjusted to most of the changes.

It would be nice to see a spreadsheet of all mech data - mine is obviously no good anymore - the tweaks to the mechs are interesting and the G2- upgrades are subtle but useful.

I had a technical issue and got a Great Response - that I got any response at all after so long was great, but the total solution was awesome! They completely fixed my issues in a day. In a day! Totally impressed and my attitude is 100% better towards the future of this great game.

It has the most natural movement system I've ever used, I never think about doing anything, it all happens naturally. The physics are changing as well, for the better I think, like quicker boost-stops and better hit registration, etc.

Also the clones - the clones are no pushovers! They can dodge better than most players, and when they are in single digits, they use some impressive evasion techniques, making them very hard to finish off and making for great solo matches with 11 clones!

So for me, this game is back! I can't wait to earn all those new G2 series mechs! Good luck out there, watch your six.

Edited by Leghorn10314, 02 June 2017 - 11:13 AM.

[FRX23]

....

The physics are changing as well, for the better I think, like quicker boost-stops and better hit registration, etc..

...

Most of vets including me, got the opposite feeling.

Maybe it's part of the plan to clean the player base....

[Liederkranz]

After a little confusion at the start of this major update, I am having way more fun playing than before, or for the last long time - it has attracted more players and that opens combat up a little; more servers with co-op is very helpful for trying to meet the daily goals, another great idea.

I would like chat between rounds. I would like access to the garage without leaving a match, or in-between matches, to tweak items/internals/weapons.

The game is not as bright as it was and looks softer; other than a slightly lower camera eye, I've adjusted to most of the changes.

It would be nice to see a spreadsheet of all mech data - mine is obviously no good anymore - the tweaks to the mechs are interesting and the G2- upgrades are subtle but useful.

I had a technical issue and got a Great Response - that I got any response at all after so long was great, but the total solution was awesome! They completely fixed my issues in a day. In a day! Totally impressed and my attitude is 100% better towards the future of this great game.

It has the most natural movement system I've ever used, I never think about doing anything, it all happens naturally. The physics are changing as well, for the better I think, like quicker boost-stops and better hit registration, etc.

Also the clones - the clones are no pushovers! They can dodge better than most players, and when they are in single digits, they use some impressive evasion techniques, making them very hard to finish off and making for great solo matches with 11 clones!

So for me, this game is back! I can't wait to earn all those new G2 series mechs! Good luck out there, watch your six.

 

Call me oldfashioned but the new camera angle bothers me, and the sudden momentum-less boost-stops interfere with dodge/boost chaining. Too used to momentum, sometimes you stop boosting calculating to end behind cover and the sudden stop results in stopping a few meters before, uncovered.