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[FussyBadger]

I'm happy to see some of the changes: detonator nerf, a skinned map(!), etc.

Add me to the group concerned about the health/TTK changes and lopsided benefit. So what if mechs would face overheating troubles when taking down a C Class_ They're the slowest, biggest targets out there. I'd prefer it if lighter classes needed help to quickly take down a C class, or a prolonged tactical fight to do it 1 on 1. That would make the Cs feel substantial.

I suppose the heat balance may come down to how poorly some mech load outs perform next to the highest damage dealers, though. Either way, we will see how it plays and hope.

Global TTK increases, like adding health, exacerbate the struggles of the sustained fire builds while minimally impacting the burst monsters. Wouldn't specific weapon adjustments be more effective - or outright changes to what weapons are available to each mech_

[FussyBadger]

It's 6am and I am, indeed, fussy. I appreciate the update, though. There are spots of community feedback being implemented, numbers provided, and hopefully great game optimizations. Thank you for the ongoing effort, HWK.

[Houruck]

Screenshot of the map looks gorgeous. The canyon reminds me of Wile E. Coyote and The Road Runner.

[Umbre]

If you give them a 10% increase each, rather than a flat increase you get this:

A: 550
B: 743 (technically 742.5, but the game rounds up)
C: 935

Those numbers could easily become:

A: 550
B: 740
C: 930

Notice how there's actually a visible pattern_ You still get an equal increase of health (a difference of 190) between the classes.

Supposedly running into heat problems when trying to kill a C class is a bad thing. I think it's actually a step in the right direction. Players need to be encouraged to manage their heat generation effectively, and I know this is an important game mechanic. Notice how the CR-T given to every player has an ability that reduces heat generated. This was intended to give new players who haven't quite figured out heat management, a fighting chance. Please try to promote intelligent play, where players have to think about and deal with all the risks and consequences.

[TheVulong]

Houruck, on May 04 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:

Screenshot of the map looks gorgeous. The canyon reminds me of Wile E. Coyote and The Road Runner.

Beep! Beep!

[AsianJoyKiller]

Given how long it is between balance patches, I really feel the TTK adjustments should have been made in a smarter manner than the same flat bonus to all classes.

It's not that hard to adjust them individually.

[Rei]

each mech getting 50 health, shield buff, AND repair orb nerf!_

I'm liking this.

I don't know how the 50 health thing will pan out since it gives the A classes the largest %, but that's what betas are for

[Silk_Sk]

Scapes, on May 03 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

• Audio tweaks including impact sounds, radio chatter distortions, and more.

Do the impact sounds include getting hit by the EOC_ That weapon has been silent for far too long.

[Umbre]

Silk_Sk, on May 04 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Do the impact sounds include getting hit by the EOC_ That weapon has been silent for far too long.

I'm really hoping for this. EOC is pretty much the most evil weapon in the game..

- Highest burst damage out of all the primaries + Half of the secondaries
- Projectiles are nearly invisible on some maps
- Projectiles are completely silent while traveling through the air
- No impact sounds
- Mine spam EVERYWHERE

I can't take anyone seriously who uses this weapon and thinks they have any semblance of skill.
I lose all interest in playing the game when I have to deal with obnoxious players who do nothing but use this weapon. It's really that unpleasant.

Edited by Umbre, May 04 2013 - 08:02 AM.

[Akrium]

Scapes, on May 03 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

General Improvements

• Added taunting to post-match results screen. Press "G" to Mech Taunt and "H" to Holo Taunt. Additionally, press "Spacebar" or "Left Shift" to fire up your thrusters.

Finally you all shall be witness to my sexy default Taunts and random Holo Taunts! (when you view most deaths section that is)

[AsianJoyKiller]

waftycrank, on May 04 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Umbre, on May 04 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Silk_Sk, on May 04 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Do the impact sounds include getting hit by the EOC_ That weapon has been silent for far too long.

I'm really hoping for this. EOC is pretty much the most evil weapon in the game..
- Highest burst damage out of all the primaries + Half of the secondaries
- Projectiles are nearly invisible on some maps
- Projectiles are completely silent while traveling through the air
- No impact sounds
- Mine spam EVERYWHERE
I can't take anyone seriously who uses this weapon and thinks they have any semblance of skill.
I lose all interest in playing the game when I have to deal with obnoxious players who do nothing but use this weapon. It's really that unpleasant.

Concur.  With shiny gold k-n-o-b-s on.  It's a Secondary weapon with an identity crisis.  "Take only one Secondary weapon to the party_  Not me!  I pack an EOC and take two!"

Had EOC watershed moment recently when piloting CR-T.  (Not played since.  Not owing entirely to EOC.  Burst in general.)  Rest of team were EOC Raiders & Infils with Flak Scout.  CR-T had final score 1-3-28.  Sustain can't keep up.  Ridonkulous.  Waftycrakers.  Bomkers.  Etc.

That's another problem I have with this patch.

Sure. They're increasing the TTK, but they've done nothing, absolutely nothing, to address the fact that burst is highly superior to sustained damage.

[u53r]

I personally feel the TTK adjustment is a positive thing, too often you get killed almost instatly when you just peak your head out, this is supposed to be a game where you can take a substantial ammount of damage without dieing and right now it really isnt.

The only adjustment I might suggest is increading re-spawn time a bit in order to add weight to not dieing and force people to play a bit more smart.

Hopefully this will promotoe more direct confrontation instead of having thoes teams that just sit back at a distance and spam missles, grenades and sniper fire.

[Guiotine]

Umbre, on May 04 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Silk_Sk, on May 04 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Do the impact sounds include getting hit by the EOC_ That weapon has been silent for far too long.

I'm really hoping for this. EOC is pretty much the most evil weapon in the game..

- Highest burst damage out of all the primaries + Half of the secondaries
- Projectiles are nearly invisible on some maps
- Projectiles are completely silent while traveling through the air
- No impact sounds
- Mine spam EVERYWHERE

I can't take anyone seriously who uses this weapon and thinks they have any semblance of skill.
I lose all interest in playing the game when I have to deal with obnoxious players who do nothing but use this weapon. It's really that unpleasant.

Not to mention getting hit shows you are actually hit from the opposite direction from where you were actually hit

[Frouste]

AsianJoyKiller, on May 04 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

waftycrank, on May 04 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Umbre, on May 04 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Silk_Sk, on May 04 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Do the impact sounds include getting hit by the EOC_ That weapon has been silent for far too long.

I'm really hoping for this. EOC is pretty much the most evil weapon in the game..
- Highest burst damage out of all the primaries + Half of the secondaries
- Projectiles are nearly invisible on some maps
- Projectiles are completely silent while traveling through the air
- No impact sounds
- Mine spam EVERYWHERE
I can't take anyone seriously who uses this weapon and thinks they have any semblance of skill.
I lose all interest in playing the game when I have to deal with obnoxious players who do nothing but use this weapon. It's really that unpleasant.

Concur.  With shiny gold k-n-o-b-s on.  It's a Secondary weapon with an identity crisis.  "Take only one Secondary weapon to the party_  Not me!  I pack an EOC and take two!"

Had EOC watershed moment recently when piloting CR-T.  (Not played since.  Not owing entirely to EOC.  Burst in general.)  Rest of team were EOC Raiders & Infils with Flak Scout.  CR-T had final score 1-3-28.  Sustain can't keep up.  Ridonkulous.  Waftycrakers.  Bomkers.  Etc.

That's another problem I have with this patch.

Sure. They're increasing the TTK, but they've done nothing, absolutely nothing, to address the fact that burst is highly superior to sustained damage.

Burst isn't exactly a pronounced as it was before, have you tried the SMC nowadays_

[Umbre]

Oh, want to know something funny about TTK_

I've done the calculations and even with the detonator nerf, an EOC Raider can still instagib an A class in one alpha-strike.

EOC: 180 damage optimized to 193
MIRV: 210 damage optimized to 226
Detonator: 140

Total: 559
If using HE Charge instead of Detonator, Total: 594

The A class when optimized for maximum health has: 602

Unless the A class is optimized, it will be obliterated instantly. An optimized A class likely only surviving for about 1/2 - 1 second longer.

[FussyBadger]

Exactly. It's a specific problem, not a global one.

[Sylhiri]

Umbre, on May 04 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I can't take anyone seriously who uses this weapon and thinks they have any semblance of skill.
I lose all interest in playing the game when I have to deal with obnoxious players who do nothing but use this weapon. It's really that unpleasant.

[Phos]

Guiotine, on May 03 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

Phos, on May 03 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

you guys still won't just surface the raw numbers.

because none of the below show the actual values changed.

Scapes, on May 03 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Mechs

• Increased all mechs starting armor by 50.

Customizations

• Holo Taunts
  
  • Increased duration from 7 to 10 seconds.

Items

• Blockade
  
  • Decreased armor from 1000 to 750.
    
  • Increased duration from 13 to 15 seconds.
• Shield
  
  • Increased damage absorption from 300 to 350.
• Detonator
  
  • Decreased damage from 155 to 140.

Ok how about raw damage and heat numbers for every weapon in the game_