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[Z3roCool007]

EM1O, on July 10 2014 - 04:03 AM, said:

Gh0stMantis, on July 10 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

Hawken is great as it is. This thread is ballsack.

Hahahahaha. Well put.
I could do with the old armor stats, and SOME of the old setup, but trade what we have now for this:
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Sorry. I just couldn't keep a straight face in court for that question.

Ewh... Not sure if joke or...

[EM1O]

Z3roCool007, on July 10 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

Ewh... Not sure if joke or...

Scary, no_ This is the "old" Hawken. This is what they want back.  And just for you, there's even more scary:

Put this up for Hallowe'en!  

Edited by EM1O, July 10 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[The_Silencer]

Once more time, I think this is mostly a matter of integrating those damn health and fuel bars into the cockpit. Overheating would be much appreciated too in the same way. Plus a distinct color for the cross-hair for your HUD.

That would be cool enough to cancel the point of this thread very much, IMHO.

Edited by The_Silencer, July 10 2014 - 03:16 PM.

[Spliff_Craven]

Old Hawken {Pre-Ascension}

Better player rentention
VOIP worked
Matches were more intense
Better survivability

It's hard watching the current Hawken crumble...

[Infyrno]

Blah blah blah balance... Blah blah blah tweaking... Blah blah blah...

[driedjello]

I like the new one as it currently stands quite a bit.  Tough choice.

[Meraple]

EliteShooter, on July 10 2014 - 03:21 AM, said:

SLIIIIIIIDE, I MISS YOU BRUUUUUUUUUH, PEOPLE WHO DUEL ME NOW ARE TERRIBLE!!!!! COME BAAAAAACK!!!! :'(

let us eat cake!!!!!

Edited by [HWK]Defter, July 16 2014 - 09:00 AM.
don't bypass the filter plz

[Spliff_Craven]

This poll is baised.
It basically pits new players versus the old players.

The reason this is not fair is that the new players have nothing to compare the version they experienced to a former version that ALPHA and CLOSED BETA players experienced.

Just to be fair... I've enjoyed the pleasure of multiple varients of Hawken. I feel qualified to vote based solely on that. I don't feel that applies to the newer generation of players.

It would be interesting to know why so many players left after the Ascension update; and why there has been a declining player retention rate.
We have gone from thousands to hundreds of players daily. That downward trend of active players says something about how Hawken has developed. Personally I don't think that that is acceptable.
But hey_ Who cares_ If someone doesn't like it they can take their money elsewhere...

THIS IS MY PROBLEM! People are taking their cash elsewhere. We need active player growth and increased retention. More players = more money and a better game with more longevity.

I want Hawken to succeed more than anyone.

[Infyrno]

Meraple, on July 11 2014 - 05:21 AM, said:

EliteShooter, on July 10 2014 - 03:21 AM, said:

SLIIIIIIIDE, I MISS YOU BRUUUUUUUUUH, PEOPLE WHO DUEL ME NOW ARE TERRIBLE!!!!! COME BAAAAAACK!!!! :'(

F U 2!!1!!11ONE1!!

I elaborated it

[Aregon]

Where the f*ck is Slide2Die_

Did he just leave_

[Odinous]

Spliff_Craven, on July 12 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

This poll is baised.
It basically pits new players versus the old players.

The reason this is not fair is that the new players have nothing to compare the version they experienced to a former version that ALPHA and CLOSED BETA players experienced.

Just to be fair... I've enjoyed the pleasure of multiple varients of Hawken. I feel qualified to vote based solely on that. I don't feel that applies to the newer generation of players.

It would be interesting to know why so many players left after the Ascension update; and why there has been a declining player retention rate.
We have gone from thousands to hundreds of players daily. That downward trend of active players says something about how Hawken has developed. Personally I don't think that that is acceptable.
But hey_ Who cares_ If someone doesn't like it they can take their money elsewhere...

THIS IS MY PROBLEM! People are taking their cash elsewhere. We need active player growth and increased retention. More players = more money and a better game with more longevity.

I want Hawken to succeed more than anyone.

well i started playing Hawken before Ascension so i guess i am a "new" player but as driedjello mentioned i like the new one too,i would agree at some point in the future they make it as an option for example the HUD bars being in the cockpit(in the graphics settings),but the lower TTK and and the old gameplay,well its old,i like the new Hawken as it is,the things they need to change they know it already,give them a break to fix the servers first.As some already mentioned in other posts,i smell some new content right after the servers are fixed,at tleast i am praying for it

Edited by Odinous, July 13 2014 - 06:29 AM.

[nepacaka]

EM1O, on July 10 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

Z3roCool007, on July 10 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

Ewh... Not sure if joke or...

Scary, no_ This is the "old" Hawken. This is what they want back.  And just for you, there's even more scary:

just look at this walking acceleration and mech movement...i miss it in new hawken.

[EM1O]

nepacaka, on July 13 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

just look at this walking acceleration and mech movement...i miss it in new hawken.

Commence Rant:
Honestly, to be fair (as I said earlier), there was a lot about the "Old" Hawken I enjoyed intensely, that just isn't There for me anymore. Much of it sucked Brontosaur Phallus, too, and the graphics manipulation would literally give me severe headaches.
And yes, I was one of those seriously outraged by Ascension. It took until almost 2014 for me to get back to steady playing. Then they took away my 30 tune points, then aborted my ability to play the game at all by going to STEAM. That was weeks of hell getting my AMD box to work, all in itself.
Along with what Spliff sed, it seems like a tortuous, agonizingly slow throat cutting murder of this wonderful game. If getting people to stay away in droves is the intent, it's working.
End Rant
I just hope whatever is going wrong gets fixed soon. I love playing this thing!

Edited by EM1O, July 13 2014 - 01:19 PM.

[comic_sans]

Artist, on July 09 2014 - 05:51 AM, said:

COMIC SAAAANS!!!!!

Oh god what did I do

[Spliff_Craven]

Judging by the closeness of the poll regardless of bias; it would be safe to assume players aren't generally happy and desire change. 155 - 114 is not a huge margin. About 8%. But it is clear Many of us want to go back to a former version of Hawken.

I think a comparison would serve the community better than speculation.

Here's a Video of Early Hawken:



For people wondering about the Ascension Update:



Hawken current:




OPINION:

Personally I love the look of the original Hawken better. It was more immersive and that kept players playing.

If you watch videos of the old Hawken you see the integration of the health and fuel bars into the cockpit.
I think a lot of players want that back. To my knowledge the Oculus rift support had lots to do with this. While it might be a future forward move, the majority of players in the next 10 years will not be playing with an Oculus rift. This should be moved to a backburner project to allow for a reversion to the integrated cockpit. If it is included it should be as a optional DLC update; which is easy now that we use Steam for distribution.

Armor of the past was higher. This increased TTK makes players feel more empowered or in control. The current glass cannon does not make players want to stay in the game. They feel they suck and are perpetually frusterated with spending more time in the garage than on the frontlines in battle.

Don't get me wrong they have added some great things since but the play and the look are so different. Unless you get the chance you'll never fully appreciate the differences.

I vote to go back to Pre-Ascension before the dreaded Ascension update.

Edited by Spliff_Craven, July 14 2014 - 11:19 PM.

[CatManuel]

As a new player ( about week old ) I kind of like the game but I feel it's a bit too fast for a mech game. The combat specially in close quarters is really really chaotic and most of the time you have to move with the special moves like dodge ,boost or hover if you want to survive. It makes you feel like you are not in control of the mech in my opinion and, also looks really weird since everybody is jumping really really fast back and forth all the time. The special moves are ok but theres waaay to much of it I think.

I wish I had the change to test the as it was before since I have a feeling I would have liked it better.
After that I must admit I really like the UI and the look of the game in general. I think I will keep on playing for a while at least to see if it starts to feel better with experience.

[Flifang]

Downloading now, got a new comp and it's been about 4 months since I logged in.
Guys I'm scared to now. My muscle memories are all gone.

[EM1O]

Thank you Spliff. Well said.

[Meraple]

Spliff_Craven, on July 14 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

I vote to go back to Pre-Ascension before the dreaded Ascension update.

u wot m8

On a serious note I prefer this version.

[Skrill]

I love the current game. The only thing I would change is to make all items and internals unlockable through gameplay, not in-game currency. this is similar to the way COD MWF2's gun attachments work. The result is  more expensive mechs that come with their own set of starter internals and items with more of both unlockable as you level them up. This would help retain new players because they would feel like they are always progressing. This would help improve player retention a ton because, in its current form the game doesn't feel like its rewarding you for playing well in any kind of satisfying way.