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[Amidatelion]

'Sherman, set the Wayback machine to December 18th, 2015.'

'Yes, Mr. Peabody'

.......

 

"After the holidays, we're going to start doing some introductions to the team.  We're going to resume more dev streams, and we're going to be ready to start really incorporating your feedback and ideas.  2016 is going to be a good year for Hawken :)" - capnjosh

 

'Is it okay to start crying, Mr. Peabody?'

'Yes, Sherman. We can leave now.'

 

Can we please get a link on that for posterity?

[Flifang]

I also want to point out as I have yet to see anyone do so: the grenadier's turret mode is back

[HeavyMetalFenix]

Done (there's a multiple meaning statement...)

[Amidatelion]

I also want to point out as I have yet to see anyone do so: the grenadier's turret mode is back

 

Boy is that gonna go well. Immobile grenadiers with dual Rev-GLs that will overheat in 6 seconds, playing with controllers.

[DeeRax]

Question: What's going to happen to all of the fuzzy bunny we've already spent real money on that they are apparently completely invalidating in one fell swoop?

(I'm mostly referring to chassis parts that technically "belong" to other mechs. I guess..)
(Also G2 mechs)
(Also weapons that apparently don't exist on certain mechs anymore).


I mean... I knew I was giving money to a semi-dead game in the first place, my decision, don't get me wrong. Just curious.

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 15 June 2016 - 07:42 PM.

[hellc9943]

Can we please get a link on that for posterity?

https://community.pl...ate-2015-12-18/

 

Still waiting on the team introductions, btw. And the dev streams. And the badges. And "liking the results".

[HeavyMetalFenix]

Answering DeeRax

 

"Question: What's going to happen to all of the fuzzy bunny we've already spent real money on that they are apparently completely invalidating in one fell swoop?"

 

 

From here:

 

https://www.playhawken.com/legal/eula

 

 

1. Reloaded Games reserves the right to manage, regulate, control, modify, and/or eliminate the Game and all Content, which may make the Content substantially more or less valuable, effective, or functional, and to cease offering the Game in its entirety, in Reloaded Games' absolute and sole discretion, and Reloaded Games will have no liability to you based on its exercise of such right.

Edited by HeavyMetalFenix, 15 June 2016 - 07:42 PM.

[DeeRax]

Sounds about right.

[Flifang]

This game does not have enough content to support a free to play model still. I don't see anything new that will improve retention except some new publicity. From what Iv'e seen in introducing people to this game is they're NEVER sucked in enough. The co-op game modes aren't flashy enough to warrant actually beating them 99% of the time. Without any alternate weapons progression will seem super dry: and for anyone who gets the reference that's coming from a monster hunter fan. The majority of the game's meat has honestly been in how balanced it is. The only reason I'm still here are the familiar names. As fantastic and beautiful this game is: it gets boring after a while. 

[Shade__]

we all wanted HAWKEN on consoles not THIS "HAWKEN" i just hope we die with dignity... :,(

[DeeRax]

I like the term 'HOWKEN' someone coined earlier.
As in, "HOWKEN THIS HAPPEN TO ME."

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 15 June 2016 - 07:58 PM.

[DieselCat]

Question: What's going to happen to all of the fuzzy bunny we've already spent real money on that they are apparently completely invalidating in one fell swoop?

(I'm mostly referring to chassis parts that technically "belong" to other mechs. I guess..)
(Also G2 mechs)
(Also weapons that apparently don't exist on certain mechs anymore).


I mean... I knew I was giving money to a semi-dead game in the first place, my decision, don't get me wrong. Just curious.

 

They better not fuzzy bunny with my Cupcake 

[Sigil_]

They better not fuzzy bunny with my Cupcake 

 

They don't have to to get to 30 mechs. I don't know about any legal restrictions that say they can't if they want to though.

[Sriracha_Sauce]

getting to 30 mechs might just be taking the existing mechs and splitting them up into multiple types, like G1 Scout gets maybe HEAT and miniflak, and G2 Scout gets Flak and miniflak or something like that.

 

divide and conquer

 

 

- sriracha

[Zdragow]

So who else is now eagerly awaiting Titanfall 2, hmm? Anybody?

[Hyginos]

getting to 30 mechs might just be taking the existing mechs and splitting them up into multiple types, like G1 Scout gets maybe HEAT and miniflak, and G2 Scout gets Flak and miniflak or something like that.

 

divide and conquer

 

 

- sriracha

 

In all fairness, the gameplay footage we do have shows the player being killed by a regular old miniflak scout.

[Sriracha_Sauce]

In all fairness, the gameplay footage we do have shows the player being killed by a regular old miniflak scout.

 

i guess

 

i dunno, i just have doubts about originality for new mechs, i just feel as if we'll get a few cool ones and the others will be rehashes of existing mechs. at this point im not very optimistic, one year for 12 new mech concepts plus all the console porting fuzzy bunny they pulled?

 

 

- sriracha

Edited by Sriracha_Sauce, 15 June 2016 - 08:15 PM.

[DieselCat]

They don't have to to get to 30 mechs. I don't know about any legal restrictions that say they can't if they want to though.

 

It's not about getting to 30 mechs or what can legally be done. It's about doing the right thing here. In this case, the Vanguard Cupcake,  was a very limited edition mech that was offered way back in closed Beta by ADH for considerable money (basically the price of a new game) for a very short time and would never be offered again.

 

My response was a serious (but tongue and cheek)  reply made to another post about these apparent changes being made to the new console version with the worry that what was spent on items in the past by long time players  might be taken away.  

[Browno]

I have not looked at the guide before but only bear is listed as primary and bot any other incin wep. And rev gl is secondary now

[Browno]

Doublepost

Edited by (KDR) Browno, 15 June 2016 - 08:39 PM.

[-Tj-]

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT...

 

THE...

 

FUZZY BUNNY.

 

Are these guys serious...?? If this is real, and they're keeping it this way, I can only ask: RELOADED, HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED YOUR GAME???

 

*ahem*

 

Devil's advocate. Maybe they're just testing things out. Maybe the build shown in the video is just where the build was when E3 rolled around. Maybe they have some kind of plan for all of this bs.

 

You know, I was originally just upset that they kept quiet about everything thus far. Now I have more of a real reason to be mad. Seriously, Reloaded, wtf are you doing?

[SparkyJJC]

Please don't tell me they've taken the T32 bolt away from the Raider.
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THEY'VE TAKEN THE T32 BOLT AWAY FROM THE RAIDER.

[Shade__]

Please don't tell me they've taken the T32 bolt away from the Raider.
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THEY'VE TAKEN THE T32 BOLT AWAY FROM THE RAIDER.

If you need a hug im always here, If anyone needs a hug im here for y'all...

[dorobo]

So I got this game called "Squad" the other day, and it's really quite neat. It's a milsim, and it's pretty good at doing that - but the thing that really, really, really stands out in it is the communication. You play at a scale of something between 36 v 36 up to 50 v 50 on these really big maps, and your team is divided into squads of 9 or 10 depending on the total number. You have 3 VOIP PTT buttons. One of them communicates directly with your squad via radio. The next communicates with any friendlies in your vicinity. The last only applies if you're a squad leader, and is a direct line of contact with the other squad leaders. The thing is, people actually take it for realsies and make a sincere effort to communicate and organize these comparably massive teams over several kilometers of map. You can go for multiple minutes with no enemy contact and it's still fun, and then all of the sudden it breaks down into hectic 10v10 or more fairly long distance firefights and it's just super engaging.

 

Anyway, I'll be over there for a while.

 

It's same devs that worked on a reality mod for BF2 that mod rocked hard.. was very close to the real thing.

[dorobo]

and on the OP.. maybe we will get a game optimised for gamepads?! yay!

 

Edited by dorobo, 16 June 2016 - 12:08 AM.

[SparkyJJC]

If you need a hug im always here, If anyone needs a hug im here for y'all...

THANK YOU BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE I NEED A HUG RIGHT NOW

[Shade__]

THANK YOU BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE I NEED A HUG RIGHT NOW

[Browno]

I will not cry until i have had a chance to test "new hawken" and also be able to do so for a few weeks. It might turn out great. So many ppl wanted update/change and when it comes they cry more without even knowing how it plays out.
From what i understand from the guide, we still have primaries unlocked at lvl 3 and 5 for each mech.

[Neraste]

About this weapon fuzzy bunny festival, Josh stated in the interview of December made by Augmentia that mixing mech weapons was a good idea, in accordance with the lore. The original question was:

 

What are his thoughts on having the Breacher on something other than the Predator?

 

Note that the answer was generalized compared to the question. So, that mix may be an idea they have had for a long time.

[Browno]

It seems it is lower ttk now as well. Orbs have 79 second cooldown between uses :)
No seeker as secondary either

Edited by (KDR) Browno, 16 June 2016 - 12:57 AM.

[asipo]

but... i liek cupcake

[Bergwein]

Please don't tell me they've taken the T32 bolt away from the Raider.
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THEY'VE TAKEN THE T32 BOLT AWAY FROM THE RAIDER.

 

inb4 raider gets SMC AR Vulcan now

[crockrocket]

Jesus tit-fuzzy bunnyng christ. GG all, it's been a good run

[SparkyJJC]

inb4 raider gets SMC AR Vulcan now

don't

you

DARE

[CraftyDus]

The best way to keep a fairly balanced game fairly balanced is to CHANGE EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.

 

But they had a bunch of devs who were full-on sh!t-tier, play test it. It was great!

[dorobo]

it's all in a weird way stimulating you know.. what will they really drop?!  THE HORROR! The uncertainty! 

 

[Hyginos]

A lot of responses in this thread are a bit vague, or simply express distaste without providing specifics, so in an effort to demonstrate that we do have legitimate grievances about the direction this appears to be heading (and are not just afraid of change), allow me to tabulate:

 

• If the B3-AR that is now supposedly mounted on the Vanguard is bears any resemblance to any of the 3 incin weapons that are currently in the game, the mech will have to either deal with having almost no dps for the first half of a fight or will have to try its best not to overheat while keeping the gun spun up. It is possible that the gun has been adjusted to fit better, but putting it on the Vanguard seems to show an ignorance of the fundamental design purpose of the B3-AR series: they are meant to go with a weapon that vents some heat when fired.
• No alternate primary weapons listed. To rehash old mechs and call them new while taking away a number of old options is scummy. Here's to hoping that the page is simply incomplete. 
• Scanner as a default on more mechs with a description that suggests it has not been reworked. The maphax scanner being in need of a rework is one of the few things that the the forum community has an almost total consensus on, and they go and put the thing as a default on more mechs. Please.
• Return of the gren turret. I invite anyone at RLD to go watch some of the hours upon hours of competitive/high level hawken play and keep track of the percentage of time players use the turret mode that is available to them. You will find that voluntarily giving up side dodge is simply not worth it against players with more than a few hours in the game.
• Lots of things changing at once with no intermediate play testing (or even consulting the playerbase) is a recipe for questionable balance.

 

In addition there are a few minor concerns that I have personally:

 

• Assault is apparently G2A now, which I'm not sure I have a problem with in principle, but the current G2A barely keeps up despite higher HP and walk speed than any other B mech. If they keep the old assault stats this thing is going to be awful. Considering the B3-AR on the Vanguard I don't trust that this will be balanced well.
• Double Rev-GL? Uptown is going to be unpleasant. It seems a bit spammy and boring to have two identical weapons like that but it isn't inherently unbalanced.
• Removal of G2 raider. No fun allowed.
• Removal of incinerator. 
• Bunker is still not in the map guide. It's only been like 3 years. You went and messed around with all that stuff but couldn't be arsed to add an entire map?
• I'm afraid of change and don't want to re-learn the game I've played on the same patch for years.

 

Generally speaking these are things that might be non-issues that are falsely suggested by an incomplete page, but it begs the question why someone thought it was a good idea to put up a reworked game guide without actually completing it first, and if it is incomplete, why is it not labeled as such?

Edited by Hyginos, 16 June 2016 - 05:41 AM.

[DallasCreeper]

 

• Removal of G2 raider. 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[dorobo]

sorry i just can't resist

 

[crockrocket]

 

• Bunker is still not in the map guide. It's only been like 3 years. You went and messed around with all that stuff but couldn't be arsed to add an entire map?

 

Here, just take this it's most of bunker