80 replies to this topic

[Aregon]

..is what I would love to be able to say, but apparently my best wishes aren`t good enough. 

 

 

 

Congratulations Reloaded, you have messed up. Badly. Incredibly badly. 

 

You have shown to be absolutely incompetent as developers in every single way. From ignoring the core playerbase of the game, coming up with false promises and blatant lies, to making decisions no one with their right mind in place would suggest was a good idea.

 

Who comes up with this kind of bull?

I want to meet the person who came up with this absolutely genius idea, because apparently they have never played the game.

 

 

 

We are not salty because of change. We are not salty because new unbalanced mechs. We are salty because where was the communication? You have ignored the main forums, the core playerbase, and made decisions so stupid that I miss Adhesive and Meteor already. You are not even honest with your communication. I would much rather wish the game died silently in a corner, given the peace it deserves after such a rough life, than have this crap happen to it. 

 

 

 

You disgust me, Josh and Tiggs. 

Edited by Aregon, 01 July 2016 - 09:36 AM.

[OdinTheWise]

[ticklemyiguana]

..is what I would love to be able to say, but apparently my best wishes aren`t good enough. 

 

 

 

Congratulations Reloaded, you have messed up. Badly. Incredibly badly. 

 

You have shown to be absolutely incompetent as developers in every single way. From ignoring the core playerbase of the game, coming up with false promises and blatant lies, to making decisions no one with their right mind in place would suggest was a good idea.

 

Who comes up with this kind of bull?

I want to meet the person who came up with this absolutely genius idea, because apparently they have never played the game.

 

 

 

We are not salty because of change. We are not salty because new unbalanced mechs. We are salty because where was the communication? You have ignored the main forums, the core playerbase, and made decisions so stupid that I miss Adhesive and Meteor already. You are not even honest with your communication. I would much rather wish the game died silently in a corner, given the peace it deserves after such a rough life, than have this crap happen to it. 

 

 

 

You disgust me, Josh and Tiggs. 

I mean, their business strategy is clear at this point. They're attempting to isolate the PC playerbase - there's no more link to the IRC, PC only players can't view the xbox and other subforums, and they've pretty blatantly ignored every shred of feedback we've offered.

 

Their energy is going into taking ADH's work, mixing it up a bit, and presenting it as a shiny new toy to an unwitting audience.

 

fuzzy bunny that.

[Sylhiri]

Wonder if the gaming media would be interested in the history of Hawken, like one of those free to play boogeyman stories.

[DisorderlyMechanic]

They changed the reaper, it now longer has a slug rifle, if this update comes to PC i'll have basically wasted almost 2000 hours.

[Aregon]

They changed the reaper, it now longer has a slug rifle, if this update comes to PC i'll have basically wasted almost 2000 hours.

The update will come to PC.

[crockrocket]

Wonder if the gaming media would be interested in the history of Hawken, like one of those free to play boogeyman stories.

Between ADH/MTR and RL this should be taught in game dev classes as an example of extreme mismanagement and incompetence

[DeeRax]

The update will come to PC.

I'm not convinced it actually will, at this point.

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 01 July 2016 - 10:01 AM.

[wolfrock]

The gaming media actually participated in that history of Hawken. They loved it in 2011 and it showed very well. Look at all those old Best of Show awards. Meteor and Adhesive had the best parties with the best food, booze and entertainment. After a while, the media lost interest. When it got bought last year, they mentioned it very briefly by prefacing with "Remember Hawken? Didn't play it, but man, those parties were legendary!" Etc. 30 second sound byte on podcasts like Giant Bomb and they were done with it. Look forward to another short sound bite this week.

Edited by wolfrock, 01 July 2016 - 12:25 PM.

[KejiGoto]

All changes seen on the Xbox One version of Hawken are coming to the PC version of Hawken at some point in the future.

 

However all Legacy mechs, internals, items, and all that will be supported so you won't lose anything or login to find your garage has completely shifted up.

 

But Legacy mechs won't be able to hang with the G2 lineup because those mechs are just plain superior. In fact they are superior enough that in competitive play G2's will be the way to go unless you want to play at a disadvantage.

 

G1's can only upgrade their items and internals from Mk. I to Mk. II while G2's can upgrade their items and internals from Mk. II to Mk. III. G2 mechs also have unique stats as do their weapons so those will be better versions of the G1 series too.

 

On the bright side you can't buy a G2 mech until you own a G1 but ultimately that just means those who want to pay for the advantage just have to send a little more money Reloaded's way to get it which will deter some but not enough to argue against Pay-2-Win now.

[GMKGoat]

I'd think you were bullshitting me if the *off topic* forum wasn't PC isolated. What reason could there be to do that but to segregate the communities? They obviously don't want us poisoning the well so to speak.

[DerMax]

I say, let's wait for the official PC release, play the game and then make conclusions. It's too early to jump the gun. It does look grim, though, that much is obvious.

[Sylhiri]

I say, let's wait for the official PC release, play the game and then make conclusions. It's too early to jump the gun. It does look grim, though, that much is obvious.

 

If you get a official PC release.

[OdinTheWise]

I say, let's wait for the official PC release, play the game and then make conclusions. It's too early to jump the gun. It does look grim, though, that much is obvious.

we have allready seen what we are getting and we dont like it. what is there to wait for

[nepacaka]

acually, we have time to look how it work on consoles. and how much people would play/enjoy/hate game. so, maybe they like it, who know?
waiting probably is all what we can do now. if hawken on console will be failed, hawken probably can be even more ded, than it ded right now. so...idk. oh...fuzzy bunny it
 

we have allready seen what we are getting and we dont like it.

 

this is not true. i like some of new changes when i'm thinking more about it (yes, not all changes, but...i can deal with some of it). just i dislike very much current G2 conception. but i'm still want see whole numbers to make a decision what i should do. stay, leave, or drink.

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 10:51 AM.

[Miscellaneous]

The funny thing is, the devs ARE around. They're just not talking to us. I was talking to Tiggs in an Xbox HOWKEN stream just a few hours ago. When I asked her why they'd abandoned all our advice, she just said "We can't listen to you guys all the time :/", before she stopped responding to anyone but the streamer and his admins.

[MomOw]

[nepacaka]

"We can't listen to you guys all the time :/"

 

but you also not do everything what another people tell you to do, right? you have you own vision how you shouldd live. some people can give your good advece, but it doesn't mean you do what they say.

[Anichkov3]

Do you really believe that 1000 people in the world playing the game - is the target audience? 

[Hyginos]

But Legacy mechs won't be able to hang with the G2 lineup because those mechs are just plain superior. In fact they are superior enough that in competitive play G2's will be the way to go unless you want to play at a disadvantage.

 

Easy to fix with thoughtful rules: G1 mechs only, no legacy, no G2, no radar. Still leaves you with an 850HP full orbvac brawler, but it's a start.

Edited by Hyginos, 01 July 2016 - 11:02 AM.

[Anichkov3]

Developers do not have divided weapons mechs individually to adjust the balance. They went the other way - made a lot of furs with different combinations of weapons. In my opinion not a bad move. Too bad that did not come up with new abilities (except Nephilim - his ability is cool all of which have long dreamed of). You also need to be creative in the name of the new mechs. And by the way remove hitskan - but it causes ferment among "super-elite" who enjoy lasers  

Very important now to make a reserve for future updates / additions to the game (new mechs, maps) to maintain interest every month for the game. 

Edited by Anichkov3, 01 July 2016 - 11:16 AM.

[n3onfx]

They changed the reaper, it now longer has a slug rifle, if this update comes to PC i'll have basically wasted almost 2000 hours.

 

You think that's bad? Raider doesn't have the T32 anymore. Let me repeat that, Raider doesn't have a T32 anymore. Nobody in their right mind would keep the other two weapons but remove the fuzzy bunnyng T32 from fuzzy bunnyng Raider, it takes a giant steaming fuzzy bunny on the iconic role of the mech. This is a fuzzy bunnyng joke.

[wolfrock]

Raider doesn't have a T32 anymore.

Wait, what? Btw who's up for golf?

Edited by wolfrock, 01 July 2016 - 12:19 PM.

[MomOw]

raider has reflak and marauder (akka battle turkey) has T32

[crockrocket]

 

Capn goes down with the ship

[teeth_03]

So far, the handful of Xbox gamers who have posted are not impressed with the lack of features, because they have played Hawken before and know what is missing.

[Guns_N_Rozer]

You think that's bad? Raider doesn't have the T32 anymore. Let me repeat that, Raider doesn't have a T32 anymore. Nobody in their right mind would keep the other two weapons but remove the fuzzy bunnyng T32 from fuzzy bunnyng Raider, it takes a giant steaming fuzzy bunny on the iconic role of the mech. This is a fuzzy bunnyng joke.

Scout doesnt have Flak , again repeat that Scout doesnt  have Flak

[Shade__]

Scout doesnt have Flak , again repeat that Scout doesnt  have Flak

i feel really bad for the newbies... i cri for them.

[crockrocket]

Do you really believe that 1000 people in the world playing the game - is the target audience? 

 

Of course not, and I understand them trying to appeal to a wider audience. It won't do any good though.

[nepacaka]

Scout doesnt have Flak , again repeat that Scout doesnt  have Flak

Yeah baby, that only true Baba-ji Brabler should use ?lak!  

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 02:39 PM.

[nepacaka]

 

And by the way remove hitskan - but it causes ferment among "super-elite" who enjoy lasers   

it related not with super-elite, and it more than "i want delete it". it related with fully game rework and server calculation. when you shoot so many bullets at once, like in hawken, it can cause the same effect like phys, and you can say "bb" your FPS.

[Shade__]

Yeah baby, that only true Baba-ji Brabler should use Flak!  

Plus heat scout is love heat scout is life, I love heat scout.

[LadyTiggs]

..is what I would love to be able to say, but apparently my best wishes aren`t good enough. 

 

 

 

Congratulations Reloaded, you have messed up. Badly. Incredibly badly. 

 

You have shown to be absolutely incompetent as developers in every single way. From ignoring the core playerbase of the game, coming up with false promises and blatant lies, to making decisions no one with their right mind in place would suggest was a good idea.

 

Who comes up with this kind of bull?

I want to meet the person who came up with this absolutely genius idea, because apparently they have never played the game.

 

 

 

We are not salty because of change. We are not salty because new unbalanced mechs. We are salty because where was the communication? You have ignored the main forums, the core playerbase, and made decisions so stupid that I miss Adhesive and Meteor already. You are not even honest with your communication. I would much rather wish the game died silently in a corner, given the peace it deserves after such a rough life, than have this crap happen to it. 

 

 

 

You disgust me, Josh and Tiggs. 

 

 

As was stated in the other thread, we had contractual obligations that we had to adhere to. Keeping a game running costs money, and the console move is what will allow Hawken to remain going.  If you'd like for me to set you up with an interview with CapnJosh to discuss how you feel or so you can ask questions to better understand, please contact support for an NDA and we'll get you set up.   That goes for anyone in this thread.  

[hellc9943]

So, you will keep on ignoring the community at large and avoid any open discussion regarding the new changes. What about Josh anyway, do you beat him? Does he get enough food?

[OdinTheWise]

As was stated in the other thread, we had contractual obligations that we had to adhere to. Keeping a game running costs money, and the console move is what will allow Hawken to remain going.  If you'd like for me to set you up with an interview with CapnJosh to discuss how you feel or so you can ask questions to better understand, please contact support for an NDA and we'll get you set up.   That goes for anyone in this thread.  

a nda to talk to josh? fuzzy bunny that. what is the point of geting info if we cant talk about anything

[Shade__]

i just would like to point out how there are server problems at launch sound familiar?

AND SO IT REPEATS!

[crockrocket]

As was stated in the other thread, we had contractual obligations that we had to adhere to. Keeping a game running costs money, and the console move is what will allow Hawken to remain going.  If you'd like for me to set you up with an interview with CapnJosh to discuss how you feel or so you can ask questions to better understand, please contact support for an NDA and we'll get you set up.   That goes for anyone in this thread.  

 

First of all, no fuzzy bunny. We get that. I'm not pissed about the fact the console port happened, I'm pissed because it's a complete and utter steaming shitheap. And secondly, no, I have no interest in signing an NDA with you. Why can't you just communicate with the community at large?

[ticklemyiguana]

As was stated in the other thread, we had contractual obligations that we had to adhere to. Keeping a game running costs money, and the console move is what will allow Hawken to remain going.  If you'd like for me to set you up with an interview with CapnJosh to discuss how you feel or so you can ask questions to better understand, please contact support for an NDA and we'll get you set up.   That goes for anyone in this thread.  

 

For chrissake, no. We don't want some privileged view of all this fuzzy bunnyery. We've worked as a community for years on end now, and having a handful of people with information in their heads and nowhere to send it and nothing to do with it and nowhere to discuss it isn't what any of us want. Literally, literally the biggest thing this community has asked for since the very beginning is communication, but somehow you've gone and sold away any chance of that. There's been zero - and I'll repeat for emphasis - ZEROOOOOOOOOOO back and forth on any decisions Reloaded has made with the game.

 

You cannot, simply cannot actually be blind to our perception of the state of the game, and if you have any intention of retaining the PC side, or avoiding a fistful of disgruntled and disenchanted players attempting to poison the XBox and PS4 wells, you'd figure out how to tell us what's going on.

 

Since you haven't done that, we're left with one of three assumptions - either you don't actually care and/or are actively attempting to remove an audience that's been with this game for so long that many of us are networked several times over outside of the Hawken forums, or what you have in store is so unpalatable that releasing that information publicly would be more damaging than all of this nonsense, or Reloaded is completely tonedeaf and has absolutely no idea that when hundreds of players ask for "more communication, please" what it really means is "more communication, please" and you allowed the single largest, most common, most necessary request of this community to be ignored, not just through incompetence, but via legally binding contracts that you signed.

 

Keep in mind, none of those options are mutually exclusive, and most players believe a combination of all three. Most of us would rather just wait for someone to break the NDA themselves than submit ourselves to your terms.

[talon70]

As was stated in the other thread, we had contractual obligations that we had to adhere to. Keeping a game running costs money, and the console move is what will allow Hawken to remain going.  If you'd like for me to set you up with an interview with CapnJosh to discuss how you feel or so you can ask questions to better understand, please contact support for an NDA and we'll get you set up.   That goes for anyone in this thread.  

You are going to have your game's gamers sign an NDA in order to get information about the game from the devs? That is the silliest damn thing I have ever heard. What will you do when they break it? Law suit? If you think that you need new attorneys. Really now cmon you can not be serious.

[teeth_03]

I would sign an NDA if I could discuss the game with other people who signed said NDA and voiced an opinion that the devs actually listened to (ergo, private forum that the devs use to talk with us)