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[LoC_TR]

Crafty masterfultroll.

Thirdeye and clusterBM use mini flak at high levels, Dave uses heat cannon. They are all viable, they all require minor changes to internals, such as a fail safe with heat cannon. Also the orb lord meta IMO is much easier to work with when you have a flak cannon. It basically allows you to focus on your movement more, so you don't necessarily have your reticle on the target the whole time. I also found that some weapons are better on different maps or against different comps. Overall though you will have more success against a wide variety of opponents with a flak cannon... Lol.

Edited by LoC_TR, 14 April 2015 - 07:12 PM.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

t basically allows you to focus on your movement more so you don't necessarily have your reticle on the target the whole time.

 

Huh?

[Xacius]

One of my favorite scout pilots uses miniflak. He can toe-up with any of the older scout-ho flak-hoochies.

 

 

Heat users are unloved by their own mothers.

No decent human being plays with heat. Heat users on any mech are not to be respected. 

 

Wut.

 

K, so first thing: Mini-flak is not comparable to Flak.  Flak has ludicrous burst, as well as high sustained DPS.  Mini-flak has higher sustained DPS, but it's unrealistic to think that its max DPS is achievable in a CQC engagement while avoiding the enemy's fire.  Flak has a huge advantage because of its burst.  You can shoot-->dodge/move-->shoot and repeat, while retaining maximum effectiveness.  You can't do that with a mini-flak.  

 

I miss when the mini-flak was viable, but it's not even a comparison to the flak cannon atm.  

 

2nd: Heat is actually in a pretty bad spot atm compared to sustained weaponry.  It's still viable, but it's woefully outclassed in most engagements that don't revolve around corner-play.   At long range it loses to hitscan, at mid-range it also loses to hitscan, and at close range it's a complete fuzzy bunnyng joke due to splash damage.  The world needs more Heat users, or maybe just less overpowered sustained.  

Edited by Xacius, 14 April 2015 - 03:20 PM.

[Merl61]

*pats on back*

 

Don't worry, not everyone can be good with projectile weapons. I'm sure if you practice you can do it.

I will 1v1 you with whatever mech/weapon you want. And still kick your @$$. Time and place fuzzy bunny. Let's do this. 

[Xacius]

*pats on back*

 

Don't worry, not everyone can be good with projectile weapons. I'm sure if you practice you can do it.

 

 

I will 1v1 you with whatever mech/weapon you want. And still kick your @$$. Time and place fuzzy bunny. Let's do this. 

 

 

lmfao

 

when is the match?  I'd like to see this.  

 

Also, to make things fair, I suggest that Merl limits himself to Redox Technician

 

Bonus points if you get the weapon spawn bug and land in an Assault or Gren.  youcandoit

Edited by Xacius, 14 April 2015 - 04:04 PM.

[JeffMagnum]

The heat is better than the flak if you are 100% accurate. That is very hard to achieve. 

 

maybe git gud with heat then

 

What's with the actual salt in this thread, though?

 

 

FWIW HEAT Scout is my favorite mech to play when I'm not super tryharding, but Flak is better in most cases due to high hitscan burst coupled with good DPS. I wouldn't run Scout at all if I was trying to be as competitive as possible, so viability at the absolute top tiers of gameplay is pretty irrelevant. Both are perfectly usable at almost every level of skill. 

Edited by JeffMagnum, 14 April 2015 - 04:15 PM.

[Sylhiri]

I will 1v1 you with whatever mech/weapon you want. And still kick your @$$. Time and place fuzzy bunny. Let's do this. 

 

Dance puppet, dance.

[Xacius]

Dance puppet, dance.

 

To be fair, you can't really talk down to somebody and then refuse a 1v1.  Such behavior invalidates the sacred tenants of the quicksc0pers.  

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

*tenets

 

NO, I will not 1v1 you or Merl.

[Sylhiri]

To be fair, you can't really talk down to somebody and then refuse a 1v1.  Such behavior invalidates the sacred tenants of the quicksc0pers.  

 

I don't mind 1v1'ing, would be nice to see a competitive player actually use an EOC Infiltrator for once. Not sure if your trying to prove something or just throwing your fists around because of an easily bruised ego. My theory of the effects of competitive play in Hawken is starting to take shape in any case, I call that a win.

 

Also Xacius, if one of the sacred tenets of the quicksc0pers involve pubstomping in an Incin+Tech party combo, creating a number imbalance, while throwing down trash talk, I would enjoy invalidating it.
 

[LoC_TR]

Huh?

You can burst your target, look away from your target to change the angle of your dodge, relocate the target and burst again. The ability to fire in between boost-dodging and still do adequate damage. In comparison a mini flak scout can't take his reticule off his target without sacrificing the dakka. Got it?

[Xacius]

I don't mind 1v1'ing, would be nice to see a competitive player actually use an EOC Infiltrator for once. Not sure if your trying to prove something or just throwing your fists around because of an easily bruised ego. My theory of the effects of competitive play in Hawken is starting to take shape in any case, I call that a win.

 

Also Xacius, if one of the sacred tenets of the quicksc0pers involve pubstomping in an Incin+Tech party combo, creating a number imbalance, while throwing down trash talk, I would enjoy invalidating it.
 

 

Not trying to prove anything.  I've long since passed my phase of Hawken tryhardery.  If anyone has taken my recent MLG leetspeak seriously, I think that speaks more about a lack of intelligence/higher processing than anything.   That, or they're just out of the loop. 

 

Regardless, don't get all defensive.  You can't be the aggravator and then back off/play the victim.  

 

In the recent months that I've seen him play, I can safely say that he's one of the top players at the moment.  

 

You've been playing for almost twice as long, and you're no where near that level.  Imo, it's best not to talk down to someone when you're clearly outmatched by them.  

Edited by Xacius, 14 April 2015 - 11:00 PM.

[Xacius]

*tenets

 

NO, I will not 1v1 you or Merl.

 

tenants*

u fkn fuzzy bunny 

[ticklemyiguana]

I've long since passed my phase of Hawken tryhardery.

This just in: Xacius is a casual screb.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 14 April 2015 - 08:33 PM.

[crockrocket]

As someone who is not at all an expert, my input is that heat is one of the most fun weapons to play, to hell with difficulty or viability. To be fair, I usually run flak. Also to be fair, I'm not often a scout man.

[crockrocket]

Crafty masterfultroll.

Thirdeye and clusterBM use mini flak at high levels, Dave uses heat cannon. They are all viable, they all require minor changes to internals, such as a fail safe with heat cannon. Also the orb lord meta IMO is much easier to work with when you have a flak cannon. It basically allows you to focus on your movement more, so you don't necessarily have your reticle on the target the whole time. I also found that some weapons are better on different maps or against different comps. Overall though you will have more success against a wide variety of opponents with a flak cannon... Lol.

/thread

Although I am curious about internal tweaks for miniflak. I need to fuzzy bunny around with that thing more.

[hestoned]

i like flak cause i can point and click at stuff and then splosions

[Merl61]

I don't mind 1v1'ing, would be nice to see a competitive player actually use an EOC Infiltrator for once. Not sure if your trying to prove something or just throwing your fists around because of an easily bruised ego. My theory of the effects of competitive play in Hawken is starting to take shape in any case, I call that a win.

 

Also Xacius, if one of the sacred tenets of the quicksc0pers involve pubstomping in an Incin+Tech party combo, creating a number imbalance, while throwing down trash talk, I would enjoy invalidating it.
 

TIME AND PLACE. I will eoc infil. Hell, I'll even just use the nade and still win. Time and place. 

[Nept]

I don't mind 1v1'ing, would be nice to see a competitive player actually use an EOC Infiltrator for once. Not sure if your trying to prove something or just throwing your fists around because of an easily bruised ego. My theory of the effects of competitive play in Hawken is starting to take shape in any case, I call that a win.

 

Oh christ, I can't wait to see that thread.  Also, you're acting like a smarmy git.  I don't know why you're surprised that people are responding antagonistically.

[LoC_TR]

Although I am curious about internal tweaks for miniflak. I need to fuzzy bunny around with that thing more.

 

I think it's more a question of technique on most maps. Obviously a standard orb build is viable on both, but i've seen advanced-repair kit, 1 slot deflectors, fuel converter, and extractor. The questions you need to ask yourself are, how often are you actually procing these internals? Against which mechs? How can I adapt my playstyle to take advantage of these internals? Have I developed any bad habits by relying on certain internals too often?

Edited by LoC_TR, 14 April 2015 - 10:42 PM.

[Xacius]

thred deraled.  all hail the tenants of the legendary quicksc0pers

Edited by Xacius, 14 April 2015 - 11:00 PM.

[Rei]

Pros always default to assault :3c

[DerMax]

TIME AND PLACE. I will eoc infil. Hell, I'll even just use the nade and still win. Time and place. 

Can I sub for Sylhiri? EOC infils, no items.

[crockrocket]

I think it's more a question of technique on most maps. Obviously a standard orb build is viable on both, but i've seen advanced-repair kit, 1 slot deflectors, fuel converter, and extractor. The questions you need to ask yourself are, how often are you actually procing these internals? Against which mechs? How can I adapt my playstyle to take advantage of these internals? Have I developed any bad habits by relying on certain internals too often?

Thanks Loc, providing useful information in the midst of a full thread derailment.

[LoC_TR]

Thanks Loc, providing useful information in the midst of a full thread derailment.

I'm outta here!

 

[CraftyDus]

This thread has so much potential as an instrument for our growth as people.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

You can burst your target, look away from your target to change the angle of your dodge, relocate the target and burst again. The ability to fire in between boost-dodging and still do adequate damage. In comparison a mini flak scout can't take his reticule off his target without sacrificing the dakka. Got it?

 

 

It's just that I play by a style of moving/sliding to keep my target under my reticle with Flak - I often don't consciously shoot, just sort of note that I have when the damage sparks fly or the kill chirp sounds.  The heat indicator is in my awareness, too, but I don't really focus on it, either.  Usually, part of me has the enemy in the reticle, and a lot of awareness of where everyone else is/must be, and where I want to move while ending the fight.

 

Miniflak, I have to break out of that bubble/zone and keep from overspamming.  It is a very different weapon to me, and I like it much less.

[KillerMariosCY]

[TAZ_]

Because flak have spread bullet, and you can do peek-a-boo tactic, so it's very strong on close combat..
Meanwhile if you using miniflak, you have to chasing enemy and can get shot easily by them.

[6ixxer]

its not the spread, its the burst.

minflak is sustain, flak is more frontloaded to give high burst potential.