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[AndiNaga]

Should Players be Able to Equip Primarys on Both Arm_
Ive been following and playing Hawken for a good wail now,

i believe that having the ability to equip 2 primaries could enhance gameplay,

on account of balancing, being a Game Programer my self i under stand the problems,
however if handled correctly, and assuming most weapons are balanced to each other,
single set of values could be implimented to balance it properly,

for example- Hawken checks to see if players loadout has 2 primaries, it true, (if true, statement)
for both weapons- Accuarcy -20%, Damage -20%, Heat +20%, (percentile, statement)

even though i think this would be a great addition, i do see the problems,
thank you and thanks to all who vote,

Edit- Changing poll text, please revote, thank you,
Edit2- moved balance text from bottem post to here, thank you,

Edited by AndiNaga, July 08 2014 - 05:45 PM.

[Aregon]

*primaries.

[Infyrno]

Primaries are mostly sustained fire,  if you like that, buy g2 assault.  It'd be cool to duel wield a heat cannon or something in my opinion.  BUT NO DUAL SEEKERS.  NEVER

[WarlordZ]

Primaries are a lot more powerful than secondaries, so this would be a game-breaker unless they were modified versions.

Dual primaries are dull.  The primary + secondary pairing gives you steady damage with an occasional big burst, allowing you to chip away at someone until you catch them off guard and then blast them.  Managing two different weapons and using each of them to their strengths is part of what makes Hawken fun.  If you're going to have two of the same weapon, you might as well just have one big gun.

A secondary HEAT cannon could be fun, but it should be paired with a different weapon.

[AndiNaga]

Most primaries are weaker than secondaries, as secondarys are use and utility,
also i rarely have a situation where my secondary causes me to over heat,
most of the time its my primary firing too often that does that,

The G2 Assault already has duel Vulcan, making that it broken but also super specialized,
because the G2 Assault has no secondary(which some may say is a disadvantage) it cant act as other mechs do,
also duel having primaries will generates heat like crazy so sustained fire cant be sustained for very long at all,

Edit- removed(I see but, Please take in consideration) text, thank you,

Edited by AndiNaga, July 08 2014 - 05:46 PM.

[Silverfire]

Would require individual rebalancing of weapons to compensate for obvious OPness (like G2 Assault's Vulcans were individually rebalanced. It's not a true Vulcan), which won't happen.

Too much time to make for something far too gimmicky and OP.

Edited by Silverfire, July 04 2014 - 08:16 PM.

[KOS_Baconman]

AndiNaga, on July 04 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

I believe this will allow Mechs to preform more specialized roles,

yes a technician without a Helix torch is a very specialized role

[nokari]

AndiNaga, on July 04 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

I see but, Please take in consideration-
Equipping 2 primaries would mean you cant have a secondary equipped,
Equipping 2 primaries would mean you would generate more heat from firing,
Equipping 2 primaries would mean you would have less accuacy from firing,

1. Of course
2. Not necessarily at all. Some primaries generate very little heat and it's the secondary that generates big bursts of heat to balance it out.
3. Huh_ I don't see why that would be the case.

[nepacaka]

G2 is not enough_

[AndiNaga]

if the weapons are all mostly balanced, then global static values would be balanced too,
if so that all it would take is testing to figue out what those Values should be then incorparate them,

i agree a technician without a Helix torch would be a very specialized role,
however having a above avrage ground speed and booster speed,
it would be a intersting having one with two Hawkins-RPR or one and a Redox-02,
in a fire fight as a assisting ally, healer no, but still a support,

yes some secondaries do generate a good amount of heat,
however only using a secondary even at continual fire will rarely push heat over the edge,
unless a primaries fire is keeping that heat from decreasing, and cooling,

thank you and thanks to all who vote,

Edit- recomposed thoughts, thank you,

Edited by AndiNaga, July 08 2014 - 06:08 PM.

[EM1O]

i agree. but i posted elsewhere in a similar (non poll) thread:
Dual HEAT cannon Scout.
the HEAT + TOW combo now is super-dooper, for swooping-in strikes, and midrange/fullranged harrassment fire.
Rapid fire on HEAT or Slow "almost whipped yer butt with that one, didn't I_" broadsides could make this puppy a 2-volley alpha killer.
The A-Class G2. It'll be like Armageddon. Ya don't know when it'll come, but you know when it does it's gonna be Really Bad!

[nokari]

It translates to more imbalances that will require a longer stint of beta testing when there's nothing suggesting an objectively improved experience that benefits all players.