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[GGGanjaMan]

THE HELL IS THIS still no page BTW 

 

Is... is.. no it can't be... but is that real?

[TheButtSatisfier]

Updated.

 

TheButtSatisfier, added this to main post?
https://community.pl...ons/#entry95669

 

Good find, added.

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 01 July 2016 - 11:38 AM.

[Shade__]

Is... is.. no it can't be... but is that real?

look at heavy mechs... It's real...

[Hyginos]

 

From the cockpit of a Charge.

[StubbornPuppet]

Nief. Ability increases damage and fire rate. http://imgur.com/joR2C7b

 

Good freaking googly moogly!  I have remained completely neutral on the dual-seeker mech thing until now because I felt like it might be okay.  But for an A-Class to be able to so quickly and nimbly obliterate a C-Class with full armor like that is horrifying.  WTF?

[nepacaka]

 

From the cockpit of a Charge.

Now we know one thing about Charge-mech. Due the face of the Charge pilot (this man in right corner), Charge - is a most super bored mech in whole hawken world.
No seriously...just look at this face...this guy is obviously super sad! no no no RLD, it is not fun!

p.s. it sciri mi...

[Hyginos]

more charge:

 

[TheButtSatisfier]

Spoiler

 

From the cockpit of a Charge.

 

Added. I like that it's a screenshot of the mech overheated.

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 01 July 2016 - 12:17 PM.

[eth0]

more charge:

Advanced detonation device? Please tell me this isn't the Kamikaze internal. plsplsplspls

edit: gdi rld

Edited by eth0, 01 July 2016 - 12:29 PM.

[Sigil_]

Detonation Device is the Kamakaze internal.

 

[R_Internal_DetonationDevice]
DisplayName="DETONATION DEVICE"
Modification[0]=(Description="On death, create an explosion that deals [#] damage.")
Modification[1]=(Description=" and has a blast radius of [#] meters.")
TooltipText="Explode on death, dealing damage to nearby enemies."

[crockrocket]

Detonation Device is the Kamakaze internal.

 

[R_Internal_DetonationDevice]
DisplayName="DETONATION DEVICE"
Modification[0]=(Description="On death, create an explosion that deals [#] damage.")
Modification[1]=(Description=" and has a blast radius of [#] meters.")
TooltipText="Explode on death, dealing damage to nearby enemies."

 

I am astounded that after 24 hours new layers of stupidity continue to be revealed

[nepacaka]

yes. it is kamikaze mech...

[Sylhiri]

Detonation Device is the Kamakaze internal.

 

[R_Internal_DetonationDevice]
DisplayName="DETONATION DEVICE"
Modification[0]=(Description="On death, create an explosion that deals [#] damage.")
Modification[1]=(Description=" and has a blast radius of [#] meters.")
TooltipText="Explode on death, dealing damage to nearby enemies."

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy **** ADH must have not told them anything when they bought the game. I have no doubt that Hawken veterans really know more about that game then they do.

[nepacaka]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy **** ADH must have not told them anything when they bought the game. I have no doubt that Hawken veterans really know more about that game then they do.

console-peasnts know better what they need! stop talking fuzzy bunny! u don't know nothing about what better for Hovken! they love suicide!
WAHHAHAHAHAH!! khe khe...HAHAHA!!!


*somewhere in reloaded office*

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 12:37 PM.

[CounterlogicMan]

http://imgur.com/a/Igu5t

 

That is an album I have made of things that are in the Xbox One version of Hawken. One of my roommates downloaded it last night. Now he is gone for the 4th and his Xbox One, and Hawken, are all mine. I will continuously add to this album to show you guys information from the game.

 

Taking requests

 

Contents of album:

CRT Recruit Stats

G2 CRT stats

CRT Upgrade Screen

CRT internal upgrade tooltip

CRT internal upgrade purchase window

Infil stats

G2 Infil Stats

Rocketeer Stats

G2 Rocketeer Stats

Gren Stats

G2 Gren Stats

Mech Web

Server Browser

Xbox 1 Hawken store

All mech bundle

Founders Bundle

Xb1 exclusive Bundle

 

Some of my first impressions:

 

Controller: (Discloser: I have never really been fond of the xbox controllers. I prefer DS/2/3/4)

The controller setup is really really hard to get used to. The dodge modifier being on the left bumper really makes it awkward to dodge around. It is extremely easy to accidently 180 in a fight because left bumper + any backwards movement at all on the left stick results in a 180. While dodging left and right have to be very deliberate motions. The aiming is fine. If you can play well with your right index finger ontop of the controller/left/right bumper then you will be a god on xbox 1. Reproducing pc like movement can be done but is quite difficult. Console Hawken harder than PC Hawken? The controller is not remappable. 

 

Gameplay:

All I have played so far is coop bot destruction to level up mechs and get used to the controller gameplay. 

 

Coop Bot Destruction:

Pressing down on the d pad opens a radial menu for you to use coop consumables and upgrade weapons/armor/heat. It is a bit awkward to do as you have to hold the right stick in the direction of what you want for a second to get it to select. The bots seem to do more damage than on the PC version. The AI seems to be the same.

 

 

Servers:

I have only gotten in laggy games. It is definitely not my internet or the xbox. It sounds like they have been having server issues all day due to the extreme load?

 

Mech progression:

 

Each mech has a g2 mech associated with it. Unlocking the g2 version of a mech does not lead to other mechs in the tree.

 

CRT unlocks Assault and Zerker.

Zerker unlocks Vanguard, Reaper, and Infiltrator

Assault unlocks Bruiser, Brawler, and Scout

Reaper unlocks Sharpshooter

Sharpshooter unlocks predator

Infiltrator unlocks predator and Grenadier

(It is unclear whether or not you need to unlock the infiltrator and the sharpshooter to get the predator. My guess is you only need to unlock one of them to get access to the predator.)

Vanguard unlocks the marauder (g2 raider)

Marauder unlocks the raider

Scout unlocks the raider

Brawler unlocks the technician

Technician unlocks the incinerator

Incinerator unlocks the technician

Raider unlocks the marauder?

predator unlocks the sharpshooter?

Bruiser unlocks the incinerator and rocketeer

Edited by CounterlogicMan, 01 July 2016 - 12:52 PM.

[crockrocket]

snip

 

The hero we need

[StubbornPuppet]

The kamikaze internal?  Really?  One would have hoped that ADH had stripped all of the code for that out of the game, cut and pasted it to a spare hard-disc, then put it under a giant electromagnet.

 

Why the hell... never mind.

[DallasCreeper]

The more information I get, the less I like this update.

[nepacaka]

 

http://imgur.com/a/Igu5t

 

That is an album

 

thx man.
it is sad to see than G2 have mk3 items/internals (q_q)

p.s. You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 12:44 PM.

[TheButtSatisfier]

Alright. I've been thinking.

 

Initially I was baffled by a lot of the changes they've made, but I read a good post (I can't find it now) that Nepacaka made. He pointed out that Reloaded's changes now make mechs much more distinct entities. You won't have everyone using EMPs and orbs or whatever the meta is, but now you'll have a slower Brawler sitting on orbs and being a tank and a grenadier spamming grenades. Scouts will be scouting, and so on and so forth. Each mech has a unique role.

 

After getting a sense of what direction Reloaded is trying to push mech design in, it actually makes a lot of sense. It will be far easier to balance mechs and weapons for them moving forward. Yes, they said it was 30 mechs but it's really starter and pro version of each mech, and nearly every asset they used already existed.

 

But, for better or for worse, they spent a lot of time reworking all of the relevant components of this game so that Hawken will be easier to update. I think they'll capitalize on that by cranking out new mechs at a constant rate. Unfortunately, the old, highly customizable mech loadouts blurred the playstyles of our mechs. Reloaded likely saw an opportunity to make new mechs more distinct so that new customers would feel enticed to play a different mech. Maybe the current mech loadout architecture just kind of sucks for getting people to spend money, I don't know. I have a lot of opinions at a high level, but I've never spent weeks at a time analyzing effective F2P revenue models, and maybe they had someone who did. I dunno.

 

Everything I just wrote is speculation, but it's a model that fits. For the first few months, Howken may look like an inferior product to what we have now. But once they've gotten over the first few bumps, they'll start fleshing out the game with more mechs - many of which may have similar chassis / weapon loadouts to what we have now.

 

As an aside, what's neat is that a lot of the new players I saw in streams seemed to like Hawken. Yeah, there were "discount Titanfall" comparisons abound, but they still liked what they were playing. That's an essential ingredient. That's positive. I like to think that if the console Hawken shows healthy signs of initial growth, then Hawken will start getting the development it needs to succeed.

 

Anyways, that's as objective as I can be with what information I have. Initially I was full of WTF, but now I just want to see how this works out. This is a super intense time for Reloaded, and we're watching them deploy a game on a new platform while changing core loadout architecture all at once. They know that we're going to have really intense reactions to all the changes, but their gamble is hoping that the changes they've made will ensure a successful future for the IP.

 

I hope it works.

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 01 July 2016 - 12:50 PM.

[crockrocket]

I get what you're saying ButtSattisfier and it makes sense. I agree that this is probably Reloaded's vision. The problem is that this release reeks of complete incompetence and corporate involvement. If both (or either) of those are true, it won't matter what their gameplan is.

 

 

EDIT: Actually, after looking at all the actual stats this all just looks like a poor attempt at improving monetization. Pretty sure $$$ is the only gameplan they have.

Edited by crockrocket, 01 July 2016 - 01:20 PM.

[StubbornPuppet]

Watching Hyginos play the Vanguard with the B3AR.  Great jumping Jesus on a pogo-stick!  That is so OP.  Not as OP as the P2W double Seeker thing, but goodness.

[CounterlogicMan]

https://www.twitch.tv/evaius

 

Trying to stream it now.

[nepacaka]

Alright. I've been thinking.

 

Initially I was baffled by a lot of the changes they've made, but I read a good post (I can't find it now) that Nepacaka made. 

it is on second page this thread. i actually many times talk about it, about one item and global k/d, about fixed hardpoint for one item (i actually wont 1 fixed item, and 1 changable), etc. and many others things. but, nobody read, lol xD
also, devs don't do game like i want and like it CAN be. i also agree too sarcrifice some thing for the sake of balance. 
even with this, i clearly understand, that devs just rip 15 weapons, because they can't in game design and can't in modeling. they just use it if future, without any problem. for example, added new mech with SA+TOW, and called it Brubler, and say "we made a new mech!". i'm OK even with this, if they change G2 and P2W system, and makeing it all about balance.

they also can do like in MWO. when you got new mech in MWO, you can buy it only for MC. after 2-3 monts people can buy it for HC also. But those mech not OP and IMBA, and not better than other. you just can have it faster, if pay some money. i can agree with this.
also, it solved problem wuth balance (remeber, when devs annonce new mech and you got matches with 10 tech, or 8 inci, or 9 G2-raiders etc. now not all people can have it if not donate, but after 2 month they got it anyway)
here:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

sorry, but i can't agree with this.
to be honest, i also fell that it not use full potencial. for example ISM. it is useless item. I don't really know why blokcades need in this game in current state. they can be "unbeatable" for breacher, for example, to make some difference with shields. or HE, it need a some buff probably long time ago. many things really need to fix.
50% of mech for example, actually have only ONE weapons, and 99% never play on it. like brawler with Vulcan. why it is exist, if we have gren? HC/EOK rokky, yeah it is fun, but useless, it required totally rework, incinirator. who use baby weapon on it? nobody. nobody play at rev-gren in pub (i know guys, you can play on it in high tier lobby, but in pub it is mostly not very effective, also, it is totally useless as a "supressor" because ppa-incinirator has insane DPM. that's not all examples.
Yeah, some mech is really cool, but even they mostly use only 2 weapons. So, making a one mech - one weapon, it is not a big deal. with G2 system mech actually can have a 2 most viable weapon combinations (and it CAN be a good mechanics, IF devs change their mind and not create G2 as a straight "upgrade").

You don't want orb-lording? ok, now you just can't use it. scout now scouting, raider is EMPed enemies and attack while ability, brawler surviving with orb-lording while gren with ability supress him. No more shield-spaming, and 1000 EMP in face from everyone. 
No more the same builds on everymechs. Now some internals just help mech to bring his role in game. Most of you current internal customizations is just an illusion, because you always use fuzor+compress, rec+fuz, fuz+deflect+extractor. with some rare changes based on mech. am i not right? Yeah, i love my customization too, guys, but if it needed, i can play without it. it is not a big deal actually.

this mechanics actually have a "potencial"! But RLD just should balanced it Right!

If devs making difference between G1 and G2, like SA-brawler faster, Flak-brawler stronger. I deal with it. because it is probably can be even better than we have now. BUT! devs should do it well...it is sad. i'm still hope that i'm mistaken, but probably not.

in current state (i mean 3.0 hovken on consoles), many things not look bad for me, if thinking about it more, about possibilities and gameplay in general. But G2 upgrades can killing all of this.

p.s. In any case, I will not take a torch in my hands until I see full patch note numbers.

 

 

As an aside, what's neat is that a lot of the new players I saw in streams seemed to like Hawken. Yeah, there were "discount Titanfall" comparisons abound, but they still liked what they were playing.

 

yep.
they just don't see how kings live... :P

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 02:16 PM.

[nepacaka]

 

 

A mech tree "web" has been introduced, though the mechs can still be viewed in a grid-like fashion.

• Does the tree limit which mechs can be unlocked in a particular order?
  • ?Yes. Apparently Brusier and Berserkers are now the first two unlockable mechs, after which other mechs can be unlocked. Exact tree configuration unknown (screenshots?).

also:

 

 

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 01:53 PM.

[nepacaka]

Some ideas about "Advanced Detonation Device"
this internal actually may be reworked by RLD, and it probably can increase damage of equiped Detonator item. Just a crazy theory. Maybe it is not a Suicide device anymore...

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 01:58 PM.

[crockrocket]

Some ideas about "Advanced Detonation Device"
this internal actually may be reworked by RLD, and it probably can increase damage of equiped Detonator item. Just a crazy theory. Maybe it is not a Suicide device anymore...

 

That would require an original thought that wasn't complete fuzzy bunny, so I doubt it

[Shade__]

on the stream i think i saw a bomb drop on death in the Charge, But im not sure if it was just its golfball head. 

[crockrocket]

This update is what happens when your response to any suggestion is "I'm open to it".

[CounterlogicMan]

We get it. Your salt levels are over 9000. Back to community changelog things.

 

Internal customization seems to be removed completely on the console version.

 

Only 1 weapons per mech. G2 and G1 seem to share weapon loadouts. I don't know if this changes when you level up the G2 mech.

 

Servers are currently down for maintenance. I think they are addressing the rubber banding and putting up more servers to handle the large amount of people trying to play.

 

There are a few bugs that I encountered:

Once, at the AA on origin. I was boosting across the top and a mech exploded inside of the AA. The explosion effects/Debris? clipped through the ceilling of the AA, where I was standing. The chunks looked like the textures/materials where bugged out or missing.

 

Once, I loaded into a coop bot destruction and the camera that shows the map before you spawn seemed to be offset from its normal position. I could see the outside edges of the terrain, as well as the empty space surrounding the level geometry.

 

A shield dropped through the map on facility near the hole in the fop of facility, under one of the corner overhangs. I believe it was on the s1 side of the map.

Edited by CounterlogicMan, 01 July 2016 - 02:43 PM.

[nepacaka]

Only 1 weapons per mech. G2 and G1 seem to share weapon loadouts. I don't know if this changes when you level up the G2 mech.

 

65% that you can't change it
but actually some mech fuzzing me, like G2-infil which have icon with EOC.

[PsychedelicGrass]

Why do a lot of these new mechs seem to just have two of the same weapon? And the nief looks op as fuzzy bunny :/ that insane rof


I'm gonna wait until the pc version gets updated before really deciding how I feel about all this but it's not looking good..

Edited by PsychedelicGrass, 01 July 2016 - 02:48 PM.

[Shade__]

I'm gonna wait until the pc version gets updated before really deciding how I feel about all this but it's not looking good..

As am i, Come sit with me i have tea.

[nepacaka]

 

 

• Is there a limitation to how many of each item you can carry? Is it still 4 (3+1, 2+2)?

look like: G1 mechs have 2+2 maximum items and internals upgrade, and G2 mechs have 3+3 maximum items and internals upgrade.

[Dedhed]

I'm gonna wait until the pc version gets updated before really deciding how I feel about all this but it's not looking good..

 

As am i, Come sit with me i have tea.

 

Yup. No need to stress. Serenity to accept the things we cannot change 

[talon70]

 

the controller is not remappable.

Is that a common console attribute nowadays? Why

[crockrocket]

Is that a common console attribute nowadays? Why

Incompetence

[Flifang]

If you guys want data just go on twitch and look watch the streams.

 

Caught some new stats when someone hit the details tab, looks like the marauder has 700 hp and 30m/s boost speed now, a pretty hefty buff.

I mean, they nerfed it's overheat recovery, it's fuel tank, and its radar. Without fuel converters I don't know how more viable it will be during its ability but it sure does look like it gained staying power while our ability is down for the scant 25 seconds it has.

[Kindos7]

"Since it has not been in active development for very long, Reloaded did not know how to best improve Howken. In the end, they decided to just make G2 mechs using overall better quality parts. Costing much more to buy, only able to be bought in a $50 bundle. Even some of the dumbest pilots can get kills once they get their hands on one of these."

[crockrocket]

Holy fuzzy bunny is that actually the given lore?