122 replies to this topic

[crockrocket]

Why the hell did they run with the dual primary concept? That was gimmicky and simplistic when it was just G2A, the fact that they have expanded this concept is just fuzzy bunnyng incompetent

[nepacaka]

Don't worry, guys: their QA guys are scary good.

sciri gud

[nepacaka]

Why the hell did they run with the dual primary concept? That was gimmicky and simplistic when it was just G2A, the fact that they have expanded this concept is just fuzzy bunnyng incompetent

i'm 100% agree. it is obviously for everyone that G2A is piece of fuzzy bunny.
they actually can Do many mixed combinationans if they want. like a trying B-class with HC+TOW, or adeed c-class with Reflak+GL, or Reflak+TOW, or RPR+TOW, so much combinations can be actually playable, all what RLD needed just test or think about it a little. even if they can't create new abilities, or coding new weapons, they just can miced up weapons created by ADH, and don't broke original game concept.
but they think "yesh, just put two minigan on it...yeah, it is obviously good!"
fuzzy bunny NO!

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 01:02 AM.

[Pleasure_Mortar]

Well it has been fun. I'm gonna play until they upgrade the PC version and then I'm gonna stick with Overwatch.

It really hurts to see a great game butchered like this.

[Shade__]

AHEM 
https://www.playhawk...ht-mechs/charge

https://www.playhawk...-mechs/marauder

https://www.playhawk...ight-mechs/nief

Edited by Shade__, 01 July 2016 - 01:21 AM.

[MomOw]

I agree that these changes are puzzling/frustrating as the game was pretty well balacned and really enjoyable in it's former state.

 

So far I understand that the "new hawken" is about grinding G2 variants with a lot less possibilities per mech, and with some bad meta (dual seeker, scanner) at first sight.

 

If some of the PCusers are also Xboners and can play a significant amount of time this week-end I'd really appreciate their feedback of the "new hawken" past the first vomit impressions.

[dorobo]

just making everything fully customizable like any weapon combinations on any mech would be better

[nepacaka]

 

as the game was pretty well balacned and really enjoyable in it's former state.

 

 

sorry, but i can't agree with this.
to be honest, i also fell that it not use full potencial. for example ISM. it is useless item. I don't really know why blokcades need in this game in current state. they can be "unbeatable" for breacher, for example, to make some difference with shields. or HE, it need a some buff probably long time ago. many things really need to fix.
50% of mech for example, actually have only ONE weapons, and 99% never play on it. like brawler with Vulcan. why it is exist, if we have gren? HC/EOK rokky, yeah it is fun, but useless, it required totally rework, incinirator. who use baby weapon on it? nobody. nobody play at rev-gren in pub (i know guys, you can play on it in high tier lobby, but in pub it is mostly not very effective, also, it is totally useless as a "supressor" because ppa-incinirator has insane DPM. that's not all examples.
Yeah, some mech is really cool, but even they mostly use only 2 weapons. So, making a one mech - one weapon, it is not a big deal. with G2 system mech actually can have a 2 most viable weapon combinations (and it CAN be a good mechanics, IF devs change their mind and not create G2 as a straight "upgrade").

You don't want orb-lording? ok, now you just can't use it. scout now scouting, raider is EMPed enemies and attack while ability, brawler surviving with orb-lording while gren with ability supress him. No more shield-spaming, and 1000 EMP in face from everyone. 
No more the same builds on everymechs. Now some internals just help mech to bring his role in game. Most of you current internal customizations is just an illusion, because you always use fuzor+compress, rec+fuz, fuz+deflect+extractor. with some rare changes based on mech. am i not right? Yeah, i love my customization too, guys, but if it needed, i can play without it. it is not a big deal actually.

this mechanics actually have a "potencial"! But RLD just should balanced it Right!

If devs making difference between G1 and G2, like SA-brawler faster, Flak-brawler stronger. I deal with it. because it is probably can be even better than we have now. BUT! devs should do it well...it is sad. i'm still hope that i'm mistaken, but probably not.

in current state (i mean 3.0 hovken on consoles), many things not look bad for me, if thinking about it more, about possibilities and gameplay in general. But G2 upgrades can killing all of this.

p.s. In any case, I will not take a torch in my hands until I see full patch note numbers.

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 03:57 AM.

[CrimsonKaim]

Votekick ...

[nepacaka]

Votekick ...

but why? console don't have a chetors xD

[Onstrava]

You know how you guys/girls love the Eoc repeater right? What do you think about the...idk........CIV? https://www.playhawk...hs/medium-mechs

I do want to use the 36M though, I'll use it as my main if it shoots like this anyway. :P

https://www.playhawk...chs/heavy-mechs

Edited by Onstrava, 01 July 2016 - 03:25 AM.

[MomOw]

but why? console don't have a chetors xD

 

no callout but IIRC a famous NA troll was seen playing Xbone herken

Edited by MomOw, 01 July 2016 - 03:14 AM.

[dorobo]

cheators!

[dorobo]

You know how you guys/girls love the Eoc repeater right? What do you think about the...idk........CIV? https://www.playhawk...hs/medium-mechs

 

i will spam the fuzzy bunny out of it..

[MomOw]

https://www.playhawk...edium-mechs/civ

 

404 page not found 

[Anichkov3]

Please tell me (missed the start of the Stream): a first training mode for the beginner is a must?

[nepacaka]

Please tell me (missed the start of the Stream): a first training mode for the beginner is a must?

one of russian guys stream it, and i don't see training mode. game just started, you see red Unreal logo, game movie, and than see main menu. so, look like - NO.

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 04:01 AM.

[Hyginos]

It appears that the dual seeker/dual MF A classes are only available from packages in the xbox store at the moment.

 

 

Please tell me (missed the start of the Stream): a first training mode for the beginner is a must?

 

Training mode is not required. You have to find it on your own.

[Anichkov3]

one of russian guys stream it, and i don't see training mode. game just started, you see red Unreal logo, game movie, and than see main menu. so, look like - NO.

??? ?? ???? ??? ???????????!

Edited by Anichkov3, 01 July 2016 - 05:04 AM.

[Miscellaneous]

https://www.playhawk...hs/medium-mechs

 

"Civ" mech is shown in the medium mech screen, but has no page associated with it.

 

Here are the pictures from the medium mech screen:

 

[Anichkov3]

It appears that the dual seeker/dual MF A classes are only available from packages in the xbox store at the moment.

 

 

 

Training mode is not required. You have to find it on your own.

What? Not required??? Developers make training mandatory mode for passing newcomers! Moreover, it is in the game.
 

[nepacaka]

??? ?? ???? ??? ???????????!

? ??????? ?????????? ????? ??? ????? ? ?????? 3??3 ?? ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. ??? ????? ? ???????????????? ??????????? ? ?????? ????? ??? ????. ???? ?? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????, ????? ????? ??? ??????.

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 05:32 AM.

[nepacaka]

TheButtSatisfier, added this to main post?
https://community.pl...ons/#entry95669

[Hyginos]

Ya spreadsheet

• No more sudden death in TDM: tie games decide a winner in a yet unknown manner.
• uptown, bazaar, eco confirmed to exist
• servers are there for all game modes
• the button prompt for volunteer team switch is broken

[MomOw]

 

Ya spreadsheet

• No more sudden death in TDM: tie games decide a winner in a yet unknown manner.
• uptown, bazaar, eco confirmed to exist
• servers are there for all game modes
• the button prompt for volunteer team switch is broken

 

 

Thx Hyginos for the data. I checked the stats Rekruit G2 is the new 'salt sustain peasants are saved. 

 

We still need data about items and weapons damages / reload time : did they buff EOC ? did they change KE-sabot or AM-SAR ?

[Hyginos]

Thx Hyginos for the data. I checked the stats Rekruit G2 is the new 'salt sustain peasants are saved. 

 

We still need data about items and weapons damages / reload time : did they buff EOC ? did they change KE-sabot or AM-SAR ?

 

Unfortunately that stuff is obfuscated in game, but it is obfuscated in the same way that it is on the PC patch so maybe I can work with it.

 

EDIT:

 

Holy 6.75 second overheat recovery on BattleTurkey. Wow.

Edited by Hyginos, 01 July 2016 - 07:05 AM.

[breadeffect]

Have you found out any information on that Gebes mech Hyginos?

[DallasCreeper]

Holy 6.75 second overheat recovery on BattleTurkey. Wow.

It's always been bad.

[Hyginos]

Have you found out any information on that Gebes mech Hyginos?

 

Not yet, though it might be only available through the xbone store like Charge and Nief.

 

Later today I'm going to go through and record all the weapon values that are available, as well as the prices.

 

As for Turkey overheat, It used to be 4 seconds. I also note a distinct lack of air 180 and shock coil on any mechs.

[nepacaka]

shock coil

look like small nerf for Pred :)

[DallasCreeper]

As for Turkey overheat, It used to be 4 seconds. 

Because taking away a chunk of the Turkey's burst wasn't enough -_-

[OdinTheWise]

this patch is looking like it is autistic at best 

[_incitatus]

this patch is looking like it is autistic at best 

 

Don't insult autism like that.

[TheButtSatisfier]

Thanks everyone for contributing more information. I've updated the OP and will start going through Hyginos' sheet to pull more data.

 

Looks like everything is as balanced as a falling Jenga tower

[Hyginos]

VOD of my analysis is here.

 

You might be able to pull some thing from there I forgot about, but I'm not really willing to go re-watch the whole thing.

[Shade__]

https://www.playhawk...hs/medium-mechs

 

"Civ" mech is shown in the medium mech screen, but has no page associated with it.

 

Here are the pictures from the medium mech screen:

 

I WANT ONE

[hellc9943]

Please take note that one EOC Repeater looks a lot like the SA Hawkins and the other EOC Repeater looks a lot like the Miniflak. Of course it's not the only mech. You might want to check on the Incinerator.

The description page not working for that mechs (and a few others) is just the icing on the cake.

It's impressive how Reloaded even fails with the smallest things.

[Dedhed]

Well.... The new lighting effects are pretty. Otherwise it's a big 'ol ~~**sigh**~~ and I'll play off and on, see what happens with the PC version and... I dunno, anyone who wants to can friend me on Steam. Recently bought Robot Rollerderby Disco Dodgeball, so that's fun.

 

And hey, maybe this will turn into an awesome new thing for Hawken. It's entirely possible. As with all things, one can but wait and see.

[Shade__]

THE HELL IS THIS still no page BTW 

also note the TOW RPR (A MUCH BETTER LOADOUT) in the image not duel PPA

Edited by Shade__, 01 July 2016 - 02:28 PM.

[BIsmuthZornisse]

 

 

 

its a small thing to be bothered by in this fecal festival, but i'm not liking the new mechs being just called by their chassis name.

Do we know what those abilities do yet? Civ's sounds like temporary homing shots, but what could 36m's do?

 

This relaunch seems pretty low-effort, besides getting it to work on the consoles. Not even new weapons with the unused assets, like nief could have had that triple seeker (maybe making the smoke screen mentioned in its description couldnt be done in time).