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[TheButtSatisfier]

Since I haven't seen any responses from the devs confirming that they're going to provide us with a change log anytime soon™, I figured we might as well have a central thread for all the changes we're seeing in XB1 Hawken. TIME TO POOL OUR COMMUNITY INSIGHTS!

 

Please post (1) any changes that you've seen and (2) any questions that you want answered by people who have XB1 Hawken. Screenshots, links to videos of relevant gameplay (with a time stamp plz), and other evidence would be nice to have too.

 

I'll continually edit this post to reflect confirmed changes, add the videos and pics you post, and list any open questions we have. This first post will be a bit bare at first because I'm coming up with stuff off the cuff, but it'll be more fleshed out as feedback comes in.

 

I'll keep updating this thread with feedback until I see the devs post a changelog of equal or greater value of what we're coming up with here.

 

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO

 

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Hyginos' console patch delta spreadsheet

 

 

New UI

• The pre-July Hawken UI has been replaced with a new UI that addresses the unique needs of Hawken on a console.

 

Control scheme

• XB1 players are limited to controllers only. Mouse and keyboard peripherals are not supported on XB1.

 

Mech pricing

• 5k HC
• 10k HC
• 15k HC
• 20k HC (G2 Predator = 19,210 HC)
• HC gain values may be buffed

 

Mech progression

• A mech tree "web" has been introduced, though the mechs can still be viewed in a grid-like fashion.
  • Does the tree limit which mechs can be unlocked in a particular order?
    • ?Yes. Apparently Brusier and Berserkers are now the first two unlockable mechs, after which other mechs can be unlocked. Exact tree configuration unknown (screenshots?).
• ?G2 mechs have superior stat values, items, and internals over G1 mechs.
  • Don't G2 mechs sometimes / often have different weapon loadouts from their G1 counterparts? If so, doesn't that mean a pilot will have to force themselves to play with the G2's preset loadout + weapons even if they like the loadout of the former?

 

New Mechs (awesome post containing detailed figures for all mech changes here)

• G2 Raider is now called a marauder. It has 700 HP and 30 m/s boost speed. You like overheating? SURE YOU DO! So now its overhead period has been increased 6.75 seconds up from 4. SO NEATO
• The "Charge", a new dual mini-flak A-class mech. It's ability, "Overshield", creates a shield which reduces damage over time.
• The "Nief", a dual-seeker A-class mech. It's ability, "Rapid Fire", greatly (AND WE MEAN GREATLY) increases rate of fire. I'm estimating based on this post that when using it's 3-second ability that it deals a max DPS of 208, which is higher than the current Vulcan Berserker using it's ability (204 DPS). Can be easily killed when ability is down, can facerape C-class mechs in 3 seconds when ability is used.
• The "Civ", a dual EOC repeater (but it's XT, whatever that means) B-class mech. It has a Magnetic Shell ability, which based on its description means that it attracts everything magnetic because yes.
• The "M36", a C-class mech with dual PPAs and a "Machine Turret" special ability. Unfortunately, descriptor is vague (anyone have a video of it in action?). The Brawler's special ability is called "Fortified Turret" while the Grenadier's special ability is "Artillery Target", so "Machine Turret" is anyone's guess.

 

Mech customization

• Vanguard cupcake is no longer exclusive
• Items limited to two item types on a mech. You can no longer put three item types on a mech.
  • Is there a limitation to how many of each item you can carry? Is it still 4 (3+1, 2+2)?
• Can internals be swapped out on mechs, or are the internals "locked" on a per-mech basis?
  • ?Internals are now predefined for each mech. You can apparently upgrade these internals, but not switch them out.
    • ?Does this mean that PC-based legacy mechs won't be able to customize internal loadouts? Does the UI even support internal switching?
• Can items be swapped out on mechs, or are the internals "locked" on a per-mech basis?
  • ?Items are now predefined for each mech.
    • ?Does this mean that PC-based legacy mechs won't be able to customize their item loadouts? Does the UI even support item switching?
• Mech chassis can no longer be swapped between different mechs. In other words, a Fred chassis from a CR-T can't be placed on a Sharpshooter.

 

"Existing" mech changes (awesome post containing detailed figures for all mech changes here)

• Rocketeer HP increased to 900+ HP from 730. This is unconfirmed; may be pre-alpha gameplay footage)
• Scout HP reduced to 300 from 320. Dodge speed decreased to .7 seconds from 1.
• Berserker HP reduced to 350 from 355
• Vanguard HP increased to 725 from 685
• Infiltrator primary = EOC, secondary = GL. HP reduced to 325 from 330.
• Reaper HP reduced to 325 from 350.
• Assault coolant ability icon looks like a penis 
• G1 and G2 brawler have orblord internal loadouts, with the latter starting with MKII with upgrades available for MKIII

 

Weapon stat changes

• PUT STUFF HERE

 

Matchmaking

• Party members can now be split across teams

 

Misc

• Console players get their own forum badge #lovewins
• Apparently the XB1 version of Hawken wasn't supposed to be available today OOPS
• CRT is the base mech again

 

Bugs

• Music loops continuously in-game
• Store text has alignment/kerning issues
• FAILED TO WRITE STATS
• Facility is the only map that can be played right now, but that might be because the servers keep crashing and Facility is the first map in the rotation
• Vote to kick added

Edited by TheButtSatisfier, 01 July 2016 - 12:15 PM.

[americanbrit14]

the charge's icon was spotted in one of the streams and looks like the Dota logo. just flipped and in a circle 

 

also charge and neif not spotted in the mech grid, only the normal mechs and their g2s

 

oh and the assault's new icon looks like a bit like a penis. 

 

Edit: someone said that either the neif or the charge (can't remember exactly) was saved for a so-called "Founders pack" not confirmed though

 

Edit2: apparently as of right now Facility is the only map that can be played. possibly a bug in the map rotation, we do not know

 and speaking of bugs there's one that makes the menu music not stop. ever. and if you want to know, the only song i've heard on the loop is How to Win a War 

 

I will be streaming a little after 10:00pm MDT tonight so i'll come back with everything that i see there and as much info as possible

 

Edit2.5: as it turns out Co-op tdm can have other maps, but normal tdm cannot. as the server browser showed there being a wreckage and a prosk one too

 

Edit2.65: to quote"

 

LadyTiggs: We'll be doing a rolling restart of the servers at 8:45 PM CDT to fix some bugs. Estimated downtime is 45 minutes and we'll post once the servers are back in service."

Meaning some of the bugs may be fixed.

 

Edit3: THEY ADDED VOTE TO KICK

 

Edit4: so, we've got all the stats looked at, though i don't know where they were put, the gold camos exist and look terrible in the garage, scoot is the only one with gold wings. 

all the g2s seem to have desaturated textures of the mastered versions of the normal mechs, i.e. the elite parts and have overall stat, item, and internal advantages making them overall straight upgrades from the g1s

the G2 Brawler and brawler both have orblord builds, g2 being able to upgrade it seemingly over what is possible now, and also has 900 hp

Gren does indeed have dual Revs, though no sight of the cupcake everyone was complaining about, though i did not look at the cosmetics

a few map hiccups were indeed fixed, but the big problems like map climbing and the walls you can dodge into and take large fall damage are still 100% there

most of frontline's destructibles are just sitting in the out of bounds beneath the bridge. bunker is smoggy. 

they did not change the tutorial at all, the opening cinematic is different, but its just the trailer for the old live action hawken movie

You do indeed have to unlock the mechs in a certain order, moving along the web  in order to unlock them, the first two choices being berzerker and bruiser i believe. 

charge still unknown

and last but not least, the Xbox version does indeed require a Xbox gold membership

Edited by Americanbrit14 the moderately bad., 30 June 2016 - 11:01 PM.

[TheButtSatisfier]

the charge's icon was spotted in one of the streams and looks like the Dota logo. just flipped and in a circle 

 

Is this "charge" a new mech?

[americanbrit14]

Is this "charge" a new mech?

its the twin miniflak A-class

[LaurenEmily]

Is this "charge" a new mech?

 

Some new mechs seem to exists outside the visible market, prolly meant for bundles or whatever

[claisolais]

https://www.reddit.c...console_hawken/

 

 

 

Charger seems only available through the Founder's bundle:

http://store.xbox.co...27-9e8b82af2aa9

 

 

This link might not be working...search for this: Hawken  Gründer-Bundle 

 

Oh wait you should be able to see it in English in the next couple hours..

Edited by claisolais, 30 June 2016 - 05:10 PM.

[eth0]

Xbone users have their own forum badge.

[Morquedeas]

If you guys want data just go on twitch and look watch the streams.

 

Caught some new stats when someone hit the details tab, looks like the marauder has 700 hp and 30m/s boost speed now, a pretty hefty buff.

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

Xbone users have their own forum badge.

They have their own forum badge ?!? LETS BURN THIS B TO GROUND: PITCHFORKS & TORCHES ENABLED !!!! ALL WILL PAY !

[TheButtSatisfier]

Xbone users have their own forum badge.

 

I'm not liking this because I'm pissed

[KejiGoto]

 

• Vanguard cupcake is no longer exclusive

 

 

 

 

Seriously Reloaded? Supposedly you now have the ability to create new assets including mechs and chassis, you just added back into the game a number of chassis that have been around since closed alpha days, and yet you take the big exclusive item and make it available to everyone? Something that showed someone had supported Hawken from the very beginning and was rather rare to see is now available to everyone.

 

You keep talking about trying to keep this goodwill and spirit of Hawken alive with the PC community yet you're leaving us in the dark so we have to sit around and speculate about changes based off vague statements from Lady Tiggs and gameplay that is now popping up thanks to the Xbox One launch. You had a chance to show some goodwill towards the original fan base and threw it out the window to beef up that mech lineup some more.

 

I'm unimpressed with everything I've seen thus far and this is after watching the new build in action for awhile. Looks like you guys pretty much repackaged all existing Hawken content (couldn't help but notice the Pusher and Siege Tank are around nor are their unique weapons and abilities despite claims that all assets for mechs are now in use, weird considering these were playable and pretty much done outside of some balancing testing and minor animation work I believe) with far less customization and options for play. 

 

Hopefully there's a day one patch or something that happens when Hawken officially goes live outside of Japan but my guess is that's what we're getting; a stripped down version of Hawken.

[claisolais]

Add something else, remember that G2 pred that Tiggs posted? ALL G2 series will be using the G1 chassis with that grey-whatever painting, at least I've seen it on G2A, G2Tech, G2Pred.

 

Not sure about G2 reaper tho.

 

So what have they done to our old G2A chassis? Reuse on another "New" mech?

[OdinTheWise]

this is most likely what reloaded did 

 

[Zdragow]

[comic_sans]

I want to cry at all this.  Is it weird that I'd rather we never get an update now?

[crockrocket]

This is all sorts of fuzzy bunnyed, just across the board. I'll put down a formatted list of my thoughts next time I have computer access.

Edit: votekick, really?!

Edited by crockrocket, 30 June 2016 - 07:29 PM.

[sabrehawk90]

 

Not sure how useful this would be, but I got this screenshot.

[DeeRax]

 

Not sure how useful this would be, but I got this screenshot.

AT least they had the sense to put the best weapon in the game on a G2.
I guess?

P2W tho? Ehh?

In fact, something tells me this was all a HUGE MISTAKE.

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 30 June 2016 - 08:07 PM.

[OdinTheWise]

reloaded has never made a game in their life and it shows when they put this hot garbage out into the world

[XPloyt]

Despite what I saw and heard tonight, I'd give them this at least: People were playing the game before it officially launched in all regions, at which point, there could be a patch or update. If nothing happens, then I see why people would be completely beside themselves, including myself.

[Hocisern]

Nief. Ability increases damage and fire rate. http://imgur.com/joR2C7b

[DeeRax]

Nief. Ability = win

Laziest thing I've ever seen. Even worse than zerker/gren ability.

I guess it's the only way to make seekers any good tho.

[Duralumi]

Nief. Ability increases damage and fire rate. http://imgur.com/joR2C7b

 

Behold.

The ultimate cancer mech on Bunker.

[LaurenEmily]

Nief. Ability increases damage and fire rate. http://imgur.com/joR2C7b

 

Jesus christ this looks retarded

[Shade__]

Nief. Ability increases damage and fire rate. http://imgur.com/joR2C7b

and so shades meme-venture started.

Edited by Shade__, 30 June 2016 - 10:05 PM.

[americanbrit14]

updated my previous post

[ThirdEyE]

 

Seriously Reloaded? Supposedly you now have the ability to create new assets including mechs and chassis, you just added back into the game a number of chassis that have been around since closed alpha days, and yet you take the big exclusive item and make it available to everyone? Something that showed someone had supported Hawken from the very beginning and was rather rare to see is now available to everyone.

 

You keep talking about trying to keep this goodwill and spirit of Hawken alive with the PC community yet you're leaving us in the dark so we have to sit around and speculate about changes based off vague statements from Lady Tiggs and gameplay that is now popping up thanks to the Xbox One launch. You had a chance to show some goodwill towards the original fan base and threw it out the window to beef up that mech lineup some more.

 

I'm unimpressed with everything I've seen thus far and this is after watching the new build in action for awhile. Looks like you guys pretty much repackaged all existing Hawken content (couldn't help but notice the Pusher and Siege Tank are around nor are their unique weapons and abilities despite claims that all assets for mechs are now in use, weird considering these were playable and pretty much done outside of some balancing testing and minor animation work I believe) with far less customization and options for play. 

 

Hopefully there's a day one patch or something that happens when Hawken officially goes live outside of Japan but my guess is that's what we're getting; a stripped down version of Hawken.

If this is true, this is seriously the biggest FUC K YOU to the die-hard fans that I could imagine.  Releasing founder-exclusive content is unforgivable, and confirms my suspicion that Reloaded couldn't care less about the community.  They only care about making profit and nothing else.

 

Like Keji said it's sad that they don't seem to have included existing assets, since the lightning gun and turret sounded cool as hell.  Who wouldn't want to see artillery in a mech game?

 

I sincerely hope that Reloaded realize the error of their ways and polish the turd that the console version seems to currently be.

 

Also lol at the mech tree.  How hard is it to make it look like you spent more than 5 minutes of work on it?

Spoiler

I don't have a screencap of it (anyone wanna provide one?) but the one I saw on the stream of Streetmarine07 had pretty much every mech in the lower half of the screen, just randomly placed.  At least try to make the mech roles more apparent so people have a slight clue as to what they are buying.  Prosk vs. Sentium plays such a minor role in the game that nobody really cares about which mechs are associated with each faction.

 

I honestly can't remember the last time I was so disappointed in a game's development.  The fact that Reloaded hasn't even posted patch notes or any type of official announcement regarding the updates is sad to say the least.  What a shame.

Edited by ThirdEyE, 30 June 2016 - 11:13 PM.

[americanbrit14]

I honestly can't remember the last time I was so disappointed in a game's development.  The fact that Reloaded hasn't even posted patch notes or any type of official announcement regarding the updates is sad to say the least.  What a shame.

their excuse is to quote "The console releases are technically new releases, and thus not patches when the PC update comes around, then we'll post a patchnotes"

Edited by Americanbrit14 the moderately bad., 30 June 2016 - 11:17 PM.

[Epsilon_Knight]

Behold.

The ultimate cancer mech on Bunker.

I'm pretty sure it'll be cancer EVERYWHERE if it isn't nerfed immediately.    Seeker is not a great weapon, but with that amount of spam, anyone half-competent could wreck multiple players on the enemy team with it.

 

It fluffing eats a C class, in seconds, WITH SPAM TO SPARE, and less than half of overheat.

 

It looks hilarious.  It is potentially the most broken thing in the game right now.

Edited by Epsilon_Knight, 30 June 2016 - 11:45 PM.

[dorobo]

History repeats itself high level executives and marketing people doing what they not suppose to. I guess that should have been expected at the precise moment when we heard of aquisition.

 

[DerMax]

Someone who's not as apathetic as I am should start a Hawken 3.0 Criticism Megathread.

[nepacaka]

Behold.

The ultimate cancer mech on Bunker.

The ultimate cancer mech on cancer map. fixed.

[crockrocket]

Someone who's not as apathetic as I am should start a Hawken 3.0 Criticism Megathread.

I was gonna post my own thoughts tomorrow when I have computer access, if someone does it before then I'll add my thoughts to that

[MomOw]

For those who have played Xbone : has the scanner been modified (duration, radius) ? And does any G2 have scanner ?

[nepacaka]

did you check this guys?
https://www.playhawk...ame-guide/mechs

i have only one question. What the fock is dis!?
36m with 2x ppa-bear, Civ with 2xEOC...

some changes is really sciri mi

Edited by nepacaka, 01 July 2016 - 12:06 AM.

[Zaxik]

 

• The "Charge", a new dual mini-flak A-class mech.
• The "Nief", a dual-seeker A-class mech

 

 

Nief. Ability increases damage and fire rate. http://imgur.com/joR2C7b

 

Yeah. I'm totally speechless. Did I get sucked into parallel universe while I was sleeping?

[Siamenis]

I must say that my initial optimism has vaned. G2's being direct upgrades of starting mechs, unimaginitive UI overhaul, mono-weapon mechs,... it just reeks of cheapness. I hope this was due to adjustments required for console porting, but content wise, this release is absolutely disappointing.

[claisolais]

did you check this guys?
https://www.playhawk...ame-guide/mechs

i have only one question. What the fock is dis!?
36m with 2x ppa-bear, Civ with 2xEOC...

some changes is really sciri mi

SHOOT it just gets worse

Noticed civ's ability??Behold the seeker EOCs

 

 

JUST WHEN YOU THINK IT CANT GETS ANY WORSE, RLD NVR CHASE TO SURPRISE YOU ON THAT.

Edited by claisolais, 01 July 2016 - 12:37 AM.

[Sylhiri]

Hawken should have died with Adhesive rather then turn into this thing. It spits in the face of what the original developers were trying to do, just for a quick buck. Just another example that free to play publishers are the parasites of the video game industry.

[Nept]

Jesus christ this looks retarded

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

 

Don't worry, guys: their QA guys are scary good.