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[Pumapaw]

Perhaps because of all the smurfs...

 

I will not even play anything above 2200 mmr that's why I leave. Not interested no fun and no game at that point.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

oh god so many smurfs

 

unfortunate that people just want to play the game huh?

[Hyginos]

I will not even play anything above 2200 mmr that's why I leave.

 

So you won't play a lobby you can't stomp but smurfs are the problem?

 

Here we go again...

[kaiserschmarrn_]

So you won't play a lobby you can't stomp but smurfs are the problem?

 

Here we go again...

 

I'm sure Hyginos understands that it is just unbearable playing against people that are better than you, puma

 

People truly shouldn't be allowed to have skill, its unfair I know

Edited by Kaiserschmarrn_, 27 September 2015 - 10:05 AM.

[MomOw]

I don't get the point of this thread (?) Coop TDM is a good game mode, when you can't find adequate TDM server or when you just want to practice, or in the morning when I drink my coffee

[kaiserschmarrn_]

I don't get the point of this thread (?) Coop TDM is a good game mode, when you can't find adequate TDM server or when you just want to practice, or in the morning when I drink my coffee

Yeah devs should remove it

 

It just some p1ssy egotistical guy announcing that he doesn't want to play, and then providing a bullsh*t reason to justify his post

[comic_sans]

I will not even play anything above 2200 mmr that's why I leave. Not interested no fun and no game at that point.

 

I, what? Huh?  That's almost exactly where the real fun begins.  You are a baffling man.

[MomOw]

Yeah devs should remove it

 

It just some p1ssy egotistical guy announcing that he doesn't want to play, and then providing a bullsh*t reason to justify his post

 

 

Damned you've discovered my secret

 

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Damned you've discovered my secret

 

wat

 

I'm pretty sure there is some misinterpretation of my previous post being demonstrated here...

Edited by Kaiserschmarrn_, 27 September 2015 - 11:16 AM.

[Veritasnous]

When you play against players who are better than you, you gradually see surprising results. For example, your game begins to improve. Eventually you can compete with those who were consistenty defeating you. This is a highly satisfying result and perhaps why perseverance has long been praised as an essential part of a virtuous character.

 

But if you avoid competition with your betters, eventually your skills stagnate. Your peers improve, while you remain at the same skill level at best. This leads to dissatisfaction and eventually behaviors described by "crybaby" and "whiner" and other perhaps juvenile but nonetheless apt words.

[MomOw]

wat

 

I'm pretty sure there is some misinterpretation of my previous post being demonstrated here...

 

 

It seems to. damned English. mais sinon tu voulais dire quoi ?

Edited by MomOw, 27 September 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

It seems to. damned English. mais sinon tu voulais dire quoi ?

 

baguette

 

To clarify I was talking about OP, not you.

 

:3

[CrimsonKaim]

oh god so many smurfs

 

unfortunate that people just want to play the game huh?

 

And this is one main problem of Hawken. 

 

I love to see how the problems are there and noone does a thing about these. Not even after 3 years.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

And this is one main problem of Hawken. 

 

I love to see how the problems are there and noone does a thing about these. Not even after 3 years.

 

Smurfing isn't a problem...

 

I don't know how hard it is for you to understand that, especially recently (with the matchmaker changes), very few people have been smurfing. Even back when I was lower mmr, I'd encounter maybe one smurf every twenty games or so.

 

Even when someone does smurf and lets say they stay in a match for three whole games (long time for a smurf), not a single player in that lobby is going to go, "Well, fuzzy bunny. Looks like I can't play this game anymore because someone is better than me and wanted to get into a match!"

 

If anything people are just salty about skill.

 

I was in a match earlier this week and someone accused me of smurfing. I told them this was my main, and that the matchmaker put me in here (It was the highest mmr TDM around). They literally said that I shouldn't play at all if I can't find a match my level.

 

So fuzzy bunny off, you little kids blow this way out of proportion

[PsychedelicGrass]

OP is the kind of person that leaves a match after two deaths and makes no attempts to improve, instead deciding to cry about how unfair it is that someone is better than them.


I actually honestly hate you :/



I'd hate you more if it weren't for the recent matchmaker changes. Previously it was very common to wait five minutes, be put into a DM with one other person, then have them ragequit literally a minute or two in. Then I'd have to wait another five minutes for another match that'd likely also be the same thing. Complete waste of time and that probably sucks more than, god forbid, playing against someone better than you (you can ask for tips and fuzzy bunny even, most are willing to help out)

Edited by PsychedelicGrass, 27 September 2015 - 12:35 PM.

[thedark20]

It is a problem. Newbies get stomped, they get disencouraged and leave. Even tho matchmaking isn't great right now, i'm getting matched with 2.3k MMR players, even tho i'm 2053 MMR right now the difference in taht matter is big.

Apparently people are still as egocentric as always and look for having fun without letting the rest have fun too. But hey, whatever you want mates, if you don't want to see it is up to you. Objectively there's in fact a problem with matchmaking and smurf accounts. Luckily we have people working for us to make the game fun for everyone.

That means, if the game was up to some people of the community it would have been ruined probably. So for the OP, probably the problem about population will be fixed and smurfin luckily will be reduced, if people doesn't want to be twatfaces with our beloved rookie pilots

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Apparently people are still as egocentric as always and look for having fun without letting the rest have fun too.

 

Alright my furry fetishistic friend,

 

This is the kind of ignorant shiet I'm talking about

 

"Oh you're better than me? What's that? This is the highest MMR match? And you have no choice but to queue into this one if you want to play? Don't play then, its only fair!"

 

Like what the actual fuzzy bunny, man.

[Derpy Hooves]

Alright my furry fetishistic friend,

 

This is the kind of ignorant shiet I'm talking about

 

"Oh you're better than me? What's that? This is the highest MMR match? And you have no choice but to queue into this one if you want to play? Don't play then, its only fair!"

 

Like what the actual fuzzy bunny, man.

Or you could be humble, reduce your playing ability when encoutering such lower avg mmr servers when your own is sky high. Vets should give a little to ensure everyones having fun so we don't lose more players. Regardless how you wanna look at it, you can be 3000 mmr, but MM drops you into a 1700 match because that's the only one with slots open, playing at your fullest is gonna make those there loose interest in the game ultimately reducing our total player count.

 

You can say I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do, your right I'm not and I can't, but you need to wake up and see the results of smurfing and lesser mmr restrictions are making an impact on community expansion. I've talked to other players from various other games, who've shown interest in Hawken but refuse to try because of the lack of humbleness or respect for new players in the current community. New devs can promote promote promote, but until we the player base change our ways be more leanient in the way we play and conduct ourselves the game will never grow. There's a really good quote of "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." if we continue to take for granted that new people will just continue to flock in regardless of the way we represent our core principles we'll soon loose the privilege of having new people to play with.

[Aregon]

Or you could be humble, reduce your playing ability when encoutering such lower avg mmr servers when your own is sky high. Vets should give a little to ensure everyones having fun so we don't lose more players. Regardless how you wanna look at it, you can be 3000 mmr, but MM drops you into a 1700 match because that's the only one with slots open, playing at your fullest is gonna make those there loose interest in the game ultimately reducing our total player count.
 
You can say I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do, your right I'm not and I can't, but you need to wake up and see the results of smurfing and lesser mmr restrictions are making an impact on community expansion. I've talked to other players from various other games, who've shown interest in Hawken but refuse to try because of the lack of humbleness or respect for new players in the current community. New devs can promote promote promote, but until we the player base change our ways be more leanient in the way we play and conduct ourselves the game will never grow. There's a really good quote of "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." if we continue to take for granted that new people will just continue to flock in regardless of the way we represent our core principles we'll soon loose the privilege of having new people to play with.

Can I just say I love you for putting words to my thoughts and will gladly give you a kitten if you need one?

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Or you could be humble, reduce your playing ability when encoutering such lower avg mmr servers when your own is sky high. Vets should give a little to ensure everyones having fun so we don't lose more players. Regardless how you wanna look at it, you can be 3000 mmr, but MM drops you into a 1700 match because that's the only one with slots open, playing at your fullest is gonna make those there loose interest in the game ultimately reducing our total player count.

 

You can say I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do, your right I'm not and I can't, but you need to wake up and see the results of smurfing and lesser mmr restrictions are making an impact on community expansion. I've talked to other players from various other games, who've shown interest in Hawken but refuse to try because of the lack of humbleness or respect for new players in the current community. New devs can promote promote promote, but until we the player base change our ways be more leanient in the way we play and conduct ourselves the game will never grow. There's a really good quote of "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." if we continue to take for granted that new people will just continue to flock in regardless of the way we represent our core principles we'll soon loose the privilege of having new people to play with.

This is a thoughtful answer, but I'm going to repeat myself here.

 

Not a single player is going to stop playing any game if they have a few bad matches or fight against a skilled player.

 

Moving on:

 

In fact I often do reduce my investment in the game when I'm playing in lower servers (I never go out of my way to do this, usually just playing mechs I need practice with), its not worth the effort if I enjoy it just as much. I'm sure this goes for many other high MMR players too. 

 

In summary everyone has a right to play, and we are exercising that right. Asking people to seriously and actively tone down their game is like asking someone to sit in their car for an extra twenty minutes in the morning because you have a thirty minute drive to work, and theirs is only ten.

 

Also:

 

Psychadelicgrass (my wife) hit the nail on the head when he said that playing against good players drastically improves your skill.

 

The two of my friends that really play are always up to fight me because they get so much better. In fact, one of them has an MMR that can't even keep up with his skill (shoutout to maxajcd).

Edited by Kaiserschmarrn_, 27 September 2015 - 01:59 PM.

[Onstrava]

The matchmaking problem has been brought up time and time again.

 

I ask you this people with lower mmr. Do you want to face higher level people for the challenge or do you want to stay in your teir? Obiviously smirf accounts will be made to stomp you because some high level person is desperate for a match and doesn't want to wait for the que, shame on you guys/girls that do that. But who cares what high level people want right!?!(joking) But seriously, what do you the rookies want? You guys make up the majority of the player base so you should determine what the matchmaking should be, after all you keep hawken alive for all us "pros" out there to keep playing. Currently I see alot of lowbies fighting higher tier people and I'm not sure how I should feel about that, we where all rookies at one point or another and I hate seeing entire teams getting stomped by one guy. Just ain't right you know. So that being said, hows the matchmaking? Do you want it to stay in its current state or do you want to fight with people of the same tier? I can't use the word "skill base", since people have good aim on one match and bad aim in another. Something like a player aim consistency is hard to balance in matchmaking and personally I find most people don't factor that fact in alot in how matchmaking works.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Do you want to fight with people of the same tier?

Consider what you said for a second. 

 

Lets take the highest player, and look at his mmr.

 

2963

 

Even if we stretch "same tier" to within 300 mmr, he's only got 11 people to play with.

 

Oh what's that? 3 of them haven't been online in ages or are rarely playing?

 

That makes 8.

 

Now, at most I see about 3 of these top 11 players online at a time.

 

That's maybe 3 people Xacius can play with.

 

3 person TDM sounds fun though, doesn't it?

[Onstrava]

Consider what you said for a second. 

 

Lets take the highest player, and look at his mmr.

 

2963

 

Even if we stretch "same tier" to within 300 mmr, he's only got 11 people to play with.

 

Oh what's that? 3 of them haven't been online in ages or are rarely playing?

 

That makes 8.

 

Now, at most I see about 3 of these top 11 players online at a time.

 

That's maybe 3 people Xacius can play with.

 

3 person TDM sounds fun though, doesn't it?

I hate to say it but there nothing that can be done about that until we let the rookies take over more. The more rookies we take in the more of them will turn into vets so that player will be able to face more than 8 or guys. Hawken doesn't have enough players in it to appeal to everybodies needs at the moment. I hate to say it but the main priority at this point is to increase the player base, not appease the vets of the game. If the vets take over, then the game dies, we have to put alside our egoes and think about the community as a whole for right now. Making rookies leave will only hurt us in the end.

Edited by Onstrava, 27 September 2015 - 02:27 PM.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Hawken doesn't have enough players in it to appeal to everybodies needs at the moment.

That's exactly why we need to keep everything open so that everyone can play. It's a bad idea to cut off both pros and rookies.

 

we have to put alside our egoes and think about the community as a whole for right now.

I'd assume this means putting aside our intelligence as well; anyone with two brain cells to rub together wouldn't stop playing a game because they had a bad match or won in a landslide.

Edited by Kaiserschmarrn_, 27 September 2015 - 02:34 PM.

[ticklemyiguana]

Consider what you said for a second. 

 

Lets take the highest player, and look at his mmr.

 

2963

 

Even if we stretch "same tier" to within 300 mmr, he's only got 11 people to play with.

 

Oh what's that? 3 of them haven't been online in ages or are rarely playing?

 

That makes 8.

 

Now, at most I see about 3 of these top 11 players online at a time.

 

That's maybe 3 people Xacius can play with.

 

3 person TDM sounds fun though, doesn't it?

That being said those MMRs are wildly innacurate. Not that the top 100 players or so aren't in fact the top players in the game, and not that there isn't a scale within that realm from best to 100th best or so, but the difference between 2300 and 2600 is less skill than it is how often they grind for MMR (sure, they're getting more practice, and getting better). The amount better within that difference is much less than say, 1700 and 1800 (that being said, I haven't been familiar with many players at that range well enough to know identities and MMR - so this statement may be inaccurate and only a result of false memory).

 

Basically at that high end of the chart, playing with anyone 400-600 below you is still going to be a good game if the teams are balanced alright. 

 

Now, uh, as a counter to that argument, the number of level 30 accounts at greater than 2300 MMR (and 2300:2900 is stretching it for competitive viability) is only 92 - and there are three alt accounts tossed in there that are mine alone, so, like...

 

...I mean.

 

There's no sense of ethics to be argued over. There's only finances. And we don't know them. We only know for sure that a few people that like to whine and threaten to leave have been around forever without doing so.

 

Also, if I recall charts and things correctly, something like 90% of the playerbase doesn't even encounter anyone in the top 100 or so ever, because most active accounts are sub-1800 MMR, and they'd only happen to wind up in even one game with them by the worst posssible odds aligning.

 

This is all just information. There's no stance here that I've derived from it.

Edited by ticklemyiguana, 27 September 2015 - 02:43 PM.

[Onstrava]

That's exactly why we need to keep everything open so that everyone can play. It's a bad idea to cut off both pros and rookies.

 

I'd assume this means putting aside our intelligence as well; anyone with two brain cells to rub together wouldn't stop playing a game because they had a bad match or won in a landslide.

Look I'm not here to argue with you dude, I want to know what the rookies want. Your side of this conversation is crystal clear and thats fine. I want the opinions of others right now.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

Look I'm not here to argue with you dude, I want to know what the rookies want. Your side of this conversation is crystal clear and thats fine. I want the opinions of others right now.

 

Really?

 

Your previous posts very clearly conveyed that you wanted to shut out the higher MMR playerbase.

 

 

Obiviously smirf accounts will be made to stomp you because some high level person is desperate for a match and doesn't want to wait for the que, shame on you guys/girls that do that. 

 

You guys make up the majority of the player base so you should determine what the matchmaking should be

 

 Currently I see alot of lowbies fighting higher tier people and I'm not sure how I should feel about that, we where all rookies at one point or another and I hate seeing entire teams getting stomped by one guy. Just ain't right you know?

 

I could go on.

[Onstrava]

Still waiting on the opinion of the rookies, what do you guys/girls think? Hmm.

[Dawn_of_Ash]

Really?

 

Your previous posts very clearly conveyed that you wanted to shut out the higher MMR playerbase.

 

 

From  the quotes you chose, all I can see is that he doesn't want smurfs rather than "shut out the higher MMR playerbase".

 

Also, a point about that. I still don't see the issue here. You high mmr people can organize your own games because you know other high mmr people. Maybe not to the same skill, but all you need to have is a moderator to be on their server and for him to manually balance the teams. I still don't even understand the reasoning for smurfing. If it's "so I can play the game" that is a very weak reason because you can find many different ways to keep playing without ruining it for others.

 

And before anyone says "it's too hard", then I'm really questioning if you truly like the game or if you just like to crush noobs. Because this is the only way for me to get a game in my home server.

[ticklemyiguana]

Still waiting on the opinion of the rookies, what do you guys/girls think? Hmm.

 

Find some real rookies that are actually on this forum. My bet is 95% of people here are 1800+

 

Rookie ish, but at the end of their rookie stage, and also an exception for their MMR already, as they are actually here.

 

Polling the forums is an unsatisfactory way to find out new players' opinions.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

 I still don't even understand the reasoning for smurfing.

Yeah its blown out of proportion, it's a lot less common than people make it seem it is.

 

Unfortunately things still happen.

 

Just last week I was playing at a time with very little traffic, and I was by a significant margin the highest ranked player online. I wanted to play DM because 1. Playing the team gamemodes as a much higher level player is very unfair and 2. DM is the master race. Unfortunately (even though there were 2 dms going on at the time) the matchmaker told me that no games were found. If one of my friends hadn't been up to play I would have just hopped on another account. This is why smurfing happens.

[nepacaka]

Why is all the new players playing AI?

 

idk. sometimes i want play with bots, and i can find maybe 1, or 2 players in bot match. (ie, we play 3 players + 3 bots).
so, i'm not sure about "All".

[Amidatelion]

Or you could be humble, reduce your playing ability when encoutering such lower avg mmr servers when your own is sky high. Vets should give a little to ensure everyones having fun so we don't lose more players. Regardless how you wanna look at it, you can be 3000 mmr, but MM drops you into a 1700 match because that's the only one with slots open, playing at your fullest is gonna make those there loose interest in the game ultimately reducing our total player count.

 

You can say I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do, your right I'm not and I can't, but you need to wake up and see the results of smurfing and lesser mmr restrictions are making an impact on community expansion. I've talked to other players from various other games, who've shown interest in Hawken but refuse to try because of the lack of humbleness or respect for new players in the current community. New devs can promote promote promote, but until we the player base change our ways be more leanient in the way we play and conduct ourselves the game will never grow. There's a really good quote of "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." if we continue to take for granted that new people will just continue to flock in regardless of the way we represent our core principles we'll soon loose the privilege of having new people to play with.

 

gfdi i'm actually agreeing with you.

 

 

*snip*

 

And you need to fix your goddamn attitude. You actively denigrate players, complain about your team and are generally a shitty person to be in a server with any time you're below 2200. I would rather play Cluster, with him in the same TS channel, pre-ball drop with me in a Bruiser and him in a Rocketeer. Regardless of people's desire to improve, you ruin games. For the winning team. If you can't stand playing with scrubs, stop playing with them.

[Onstrava]

Find some real rookies that are actually on this forum. My bet is 95% of people here are 1800+

 

Rookie ish, but at the end of their rookie stage, and also an exception for their MMR already, as they are actually here.

 

Polling the forums is an unsatisfactory way to find out new players' opinions.

I just hate the fact that we never really hear the other side of the coin besides when people make threads like this. You know what I mean? I want to know what it is they want to really change to hawken to make it better for them. I already know the opinions of us higher tiers players, on much of this stuff. We want a match but don't want to wait for a match. But I want to personally bring more players in instead of arguing to people on other sites and have them say the game is "too hard" or "unfriendly". You never really hear what they have to say besides well, the qq on redit or othersites, or this one. Which mind you hurts the rep of the game. The first thing someone new is going to do when come to the forums is see threads like this. Us against them bu(($h|t.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

And you need to fix your goddamn attitude. You actively denigrate players, complain about your team and are generally a shitty person to be in a server with any time you're below 2200. I would rather play Cluster, with him in the same TS channel, pre-ball drop with me in a Bruiser and him in a Rocketeer. Regardless of people's desire to improve, you ruin games. For the winning team. If you can't stand playing with scrubs, stop playing with them.

"attitude"

 

Maybe one word will bring to mind someone else's attitude: "ok"

The only people I get angry at are zerk players. Those are the only people I put down, and the worst things call them are "unskilled" or "spacebar heroes"

 

I ruin games for the winning team... I can't stand playing with skrubs

 

I have no idea where you are getting that last part. I never even play games with you. Maybe two dms in the last month. Admittedly I can get extremely salty and unpleasant to be around, but I truly have no idea where you are coming from here.

Edited by Kaiserschmarrn_, 27 September 2015 - 03:59 PM.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

Find some real rookies that are actually on this forum. My bet is 95% of people here are 1800+

 

Rookie ish, but at the end of their rookie stage, and also an exception for their MMR already, as they are actually here.

 

Polling the forums is an unsatisfactory way to find out new players' opinions.

 

I concur.

 

I see MacNCheez' point - he worked to get his MMR up, and people are not entitled to wins, they must be earned.

 

I want rooks to stay with the game and get over 1900 MMR.

 

I would like rapid promotion of smurfs (think we have this now), and isolation of rooks.  Adopting this will cause a REALLY rough learning transition from rook servers to 'Real Hawken'. 

 

We would, I think, lose less to do this.

[kaiserschmarrn_]

I concur.
 
I see MacNCheez' point - he worked to get his MMR up, and people are not entitled to wins, they must be earned.
 
I want rooks to stay with the game and get over 1900 MMR.
 
I would like rapid promotion of smurfs (think we have this now), and isolation of rooks.  Adopting this will cause a REALLY rough learning transition from rook servers to 'Real Hawken'. 
 
We would, I think, lose less to do this.

This is a bit extreme. To explain my idea I'm going to separate the players into three main groups: The ones that are there for fun, the ones that want to get better, and the veterans. The majority of the player base is there to have fun; they will be the main supporters of the game. Many other players, however, want to git gud. This is where the vets come in. In fact, we've already started by planning the classes. We need to make sure that the players who want to get better have that opportunity and know about that opportunity. Unfortunately, of we force this on all players, the ones that are just here for fun will leave. It all hangs in the balance... But right now the balance may be a bit lopsided.

[Pumapaw]

Smurf accounts need to retain the MMR. Which is impossible.

So the only solution is to kill them and require verified email sign in.

 

So what I would suggest is allow everyone to pick one account for two weeks with verification. Then delete all accounts not verified.

 

If the game does not attract new players given time to become better players the game is going to die.

 

No I will not play in any game with a 2200 MMR or better. It's pointless to me.

 

If My MMR gets better then I will. That is already 200 above it.

 

But what I do see is smurfs of 2300 plus playing against 1350 avg players. How long would you play this game if you were the fish bait?

I've meet a lot of new players in AI games. They lose interest as soon as they get repeatedly stomped by you guys thinking your a friggin god.

 

BY the way I'm leaving hawken come February.  The way it's going I'll be very surprised if it's still around. It's a pure money suck on the developers.

Edited by Pumapaw, 27 September 2015 - 04:35 PM.

[Onstrava]

Smurf accounts need to retain the MMR. Which is impossible.

So the only solution is to kill them and require verified email sign in.

 

So what I would suggest is allow everyone to pick one account for two weeks with verification. Then delete all accounts not verified.

 

If the game does not attract new players given time to become better players the game is going to die.

 

No I will not play in any game with a 2200 MMR or better. It's pointless to me.

 

If My MMR gets better then I will. That is already 200 above it.

 

But what I do see is smurfs of 2300 plus playing against 1350 avg players. How long would you play this game if you were the fish bait?

I've meet a lot of new players in AI games. They lose interest as soon as they get repeatedly stomped by you guys thinking your a friggin god.

 

BY the way I'm leaving hawken come February.  The way it's going I'll be very surprised if it's still around. It's a pure money suck on the developers.

Well there you go peoples, not exactly the input I was hoping for but okay. I hate to see anybody leave but I wont stop you if thats really what you want. I hope you comeback eventually but thats your decision. Off to the next thread I suppose.

Edited by Onstrava, 27 September 2015 - 04:43 PM.

[ATX22]

Perhaps because of all the smurfs...

 

I will not even play anything above 2200 mmr that's why I leave. Not interested no fun and no game at that point.

 

Coop game modes are basically the casual modes for Hawken.  If I just want to unwind, have a little fun, and leave when I feel like it without causing others to scream about rage quitting, I play the coop game modes.  No smurfs to deal with, no one barking orders over team chat, no 2K+ MMR people obliterating me if I so much as leave spawn, or people screaming about how their entire team sucks, just good old shoot anything that moves game mode where you can play a round or two and leave when you feel like it.