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[HBZK100]

Been playing Hawken a lot for the last month and a half and wow the balancing issues are all too real. The new mechs are so unbalanced (ESPECIALLY G2 Assualt that mech takes the cake as the most OP mech I've seen to date).

 

Also player unbalance is bad aswell. I've gone into several matches with people easily 3x better than me and I get ripped to shreds.

 

When are the devs gona get on this? I'm not hearing much in terms of updates.

Edited by HBZK100, 06 August 2017 - 09:15 PM.

[nepacaka]

g2-assult always been a "nub-shredder" mech. nothing new here. but now with SCM or AR he is more stronger that pre-patch assault which have 2 vulcan-xt with decreased DPS.

some slow mechs have a problems with it, because his walking speed is insane and his HP is highest B-class. it is overpowered now because with his normal stats, he can't do nothing against +/- not bad players, but with current stats assult create big problems for newbies who don't use covers, or just walking around.

imo. better way to change dis mech, delete "cooling unit" ability (to not allow him always shooting), highly decreased walking speed, but give him new ability which will be increased his walking speed to ~23-24 m/s. ability which not highly increased you speed, but you can press it very often (let say, every 15 second).
 

matches with people easily 3x better than me

 

to be honest, this is not how balance should be tested, because if player better than you, doesn't matter which mech he used, g2-assult, or bruiser without items/iternals, he can win anyway.

Edited by nepacaka, 07 August 2017 - 02:45 AM.

[ICERAY2000]

The good old Assault-B can handle any mech in the field - they give you the best mech to start with and stay with. Each mech has a weakness and can be taken out with tactics. After you've played more (3,000+ hrs) you'll see that it comes down to pilots, not mechs.

However, having a full garage of mechs allows a pilot to fine tune his approach to different mechs, to perhaps gain an advantage against a particular mech, or more to the point, choose the right mech to fight a specific pilot in a specific mech. We used to be able to swap out primary weapons during combat. That's gone so now you need two or more duplicate mechs with varying loadouts (I have 4 berserkers for instance.) Do you have all the mechs? Have you played the all to level 6? When you have you'll probably see that they are all pretty equal.

Except bot scouts... :)

[ICERAY2000]

p.s.

Player Balance:

 

Back in the day, MMR was a real thing.

Today, for now, I think all bets are off, as the player base is so shrunken, that to set realistic MMR separations, you would sit alone in a queue for hours. Best to play the Co-op games, as the AI will balance up to the real players, and you can have some great times. You can also have some frustrating times, as several players have figured out how to maximize co-op games for kills/points. I sure have.

I hardy ever go PvP, as the pilots there are uber and way above my pay grade. Co-op bot hunting is the way to go for now.

When they fix the new map and clean up some other issues, it may get better, but until there's a major relaunch of the game, "balance" is an unsolvable issue.

I've suggested and suggested they can add a golf-type handicap to balance out play, but no one likes the idea of FAIR and EQUAL anymore; maybe we can blame trump for that too! :)

Also when you find a player of equal skills, FRIEND him in the game and then 'party' for better games.

Edited by ICERAY2000, 07 August 2017 - 05:07 AM.

[claisolais]

 

Also when you find a player of equal skills, FRIEND him in the game and then 'party' for better games.

Only in PVEs.

Party is MM killer

[nepacaka]

When you have you'll probably see that they are all pretty equal.

 

it is not the point.

for example, scout sux 1vs1 against c-class, but we don't have duels in game. in 6vs6 fight, scout can earn some bonus scores, because mobility (especially on a big maps, where C-class are lose part of their super-power), he just faster jump into fight, while other spent time for moving. the same situation with DPS mechs. some of they probably not imba in 1vs1, but 6vs6 fight allow they deal much more damage than alpha-strikes mechs. like new vytro. it is good mech, but he never beat TV (i'm about final score, and HC earning) just because vytro can't kill enemies so fast, and have low DPS.
some sort of things which happen with specific team, like inci+tech. due the incinirator not super strong alone, tech made it imba. this situation not happen with brawler (or other C's) because brawler overheat anyway, and can't dealing so much damage always. and brawler not cooling his tech for continuous healing.

but anyway we have some mechs which sux with different weapon loadout (like heat-rockteer, or any-bruiser), or at least much worse than their analog mech with TOW or GL.


p.s. handicap is stupid. srsly. can you realize, for example, Dota or CS matches where one team have -50% HP, just because. think about what if you will be a better player, and you must always play with -50% HP (or damage, or anything else what handicap can decrease for you)... just meh. i'm 90% sure handicap is worst thing on planet illal ever.

Edited by nepacaka, 07 August 2017 - 08:21 AM.

[TheButtSatisfier]

I've suggested and suggested they can add a golf-type handicap to balance out play, but no one likes the idea of FAIR and EQUAL anymore; maybe we can blame trump for that too! :)

 

Show us a FPS that you believe effectively implements the handicap system and maybe it will convince us that it can be fair and equal.

[nepacaka]

Show us a FPS that you believe effectively implements the handicap system and maybe it will convince us that it can be fair and equal.

babaji-chess where better player have all pawns instead figures. Pretty fair)
And yes, babaji-chess is a FPS chess :P
Probably, it is time to patent this game before somebody not steal my idea...

Edited by nepacaka, 07 August 2017 - 02:28 PM.

[StubbornPuppet]

Hmm... "First Person Chess"... nah.

[MysticDynasty2017]

I don't think repeatedly making forum posts complaining to the devs is gonna make them work any faster, if anything, it's going to make them dislike you for your impatience. There isn't a full team behind the development of this game and you should be grateful any development is happening at all.

[Quad_X]

The good old Assault-B can handle any mech in the field - they give you the best mech to start with and stay with. Each mech has a weakness and can be taken out with tactics. After you've played more (3,000+ hrs) you'll see that it comes down to pilots, not mechs.

However, having a full garage of mechs allows a pilot to fine tune his approach to different mechs, to perhaps gain an advantage against a particular mech, or more to the point, choose the right mech to fight a specific pilot in a specific mech. We used to be able to swap out primary weapons during combat. That's gone so now you need two or more duplicate mechs with varying loadouts (I have 4 berserkers for instance.) Do you have all the mechs? Have you played the all to level 6? When you have you'll probably see that they are all pretty equal.

Except bot scouts... :)

One should not have to spend 3000+ hours just to be good at a game, that's simply a ludicrous statement. A certain player was using a G2 assault last night. other players were using the same mech yet he had a 1216 score at the end when no one else had even 400. This isn't just an issue of an OP mech and balancing. This G2 Assault user simply would not die the entire round and should have on numerous occasion. When 2 to 3 players control the outcome of a match of 10 to 12 players, something is seriously wrong with either the game itself, the game mechanics, or the players getting these scores. I can't chalk all of this up to high skill of said players. When a g2 assault takes on berserker another g2 assualt and a recruit and still does not go down this does not equate to skill it equates to game mechanic manipulation aka cheating/hacking. Deny it all you want. Call me a noob all you want I've been playing since at least 2013.

[Morquedeas]

One should not have to spend 3000+ hours just to be good at a game, that's simply a ludicrous statement. A certain player was using a G2 assault last night. other players were using the same mech yet he had a 1216 score at the end when no one else had even 400. This isn't just an issue of an OP mech and balancing. This G2 Assault user simply would not die the entire round and should have on numerous occasion. When 2 to 3 players control the outcome of a match of 10 to 12 players, something is seriously wrong with either the game itself, the game mechanics, or the players getting these scores. I can't chalk all of this up to high skill of said players. When a g2 assault takes on berserker another g2 assualt and a recruit and still does not go down this does not equate to skill it equates to game mechanic manipulation aka cheating/hacking. Deny it all you want. Call me a noob all you want I've been playing since at least 2013.

 

Someone on the forums claiming they saw a hacker without providing ANY evidence?  Yeah that's pretty much classic n00b.

 

Frankly, I haven't seen a single hacker since the soft launch, although this could be attributed to either the abysmally low population, or my diminished play time.

 

Furthermore, hackers and balance are two pretty separate topics, let's keep it that way.

[6ixxer]

'Should have died' = wanted him to die, but we made noob mistakes that he took advantage of.

I have been playing that long, but im a casual fuzzy bunny that still makes mistakes, especially when I get too focused on one enemy.

[valon79]

it is not the point.

for example, scout sux 1vs1 against c-class, but we don't have duels in game. in 6vs6 fight, scout can earn some bonus scores, because mobility (especially on a big maps, where C-class are lose part of their super-power), he just faster jump into fight, while other spent time for moving. the same situation with DPS mechs. some of they probably not imba in 1vs1, but 6vs6 fight allow they deal much more damage than alpha-strikes mechs. like new vytro. it is good mech, but he never beat TV (i'm about final score, and HC earning) just because vytro can't kill enemies so fast, and have low DPS.
some sort of things which happen with specific team, like inci+tech. due the incinirator not super strong alone, tech made it imba. this situation not happen with brawler (or other C's) because brawler overheat anyway, and can't dealing so much damage always. and brawler not cooling his tech for continuous healing.

but anyway we have some mechs which sux with different weapon loadout (like heat-rockteer, or any-bruiser), or at least much worse than their analog mech with TOW or GL.


p.s. handicap is stupid. srsly. can you realize, for example, Dota or CS matches where one team have -50% HP, just because. think about what if you will be a better player, and you must always play with -50% HP (or damage, or anything else what handicap can decrease for you)... just meh. i'm 90% sure handicap is worst thing on planet illal ever.

 

This is the issue, why would the higher MMR players want to even things out they are on the top, cant be touched.  they show up DOM everything and leave post forum everything is cool, jump on others that make suggestions.  IF you are NOT 2300+ or 1200- this game has lost all appeal.  

 

You may get one good server the whole week, a lot of ppl are just leaving server when it happens(higher/ lower(feeders) mmr's sneaking in) or balance f'd b/c MM thinks its cool to add 2k+1k+1k to get 4k instead of real balance.

 

 2.3k to 1.2k players leave more matches than they play due to the above as its not worth spending 4 hours to hope for a decent match.  Most hate losing, but if its a good match no problem.  

 

its really an issue when no one wants to play even close to fair, have to fuzzy bunny all the time to get 3 vs 6 fixed or 4 vs 6.  same for 2 vs 3 .1 vs 2, is it really this difficult to fix this, well idk anymore posting in hopes its fixed I guess.  seems no one is paying attention to fair play/fun games its all about the best players anymore as that's most of what is on the forums and all good players that play fair have left (again guessing b/c no one to play against).  As i see many ppl in the higher mmr not fight each other just move on to dom the others and "compete by score alone(dominating the lower skilled players)"

 

now at the same time i know how hard it is to even get a match this last year, idk what is going on but guessing ppl are dumping mmr to dom us next tier down.

[StubbornPuppet]

What's KILLING me is that everyone else that I can find matches with is getting better and I'm not.  I used to hold my own and hover in the top 50% of every match - even came in first place from time to time - now I am always in the bottom 25% of scores.  It's still fun and I'm realistic that a guy in his 50's isn't going to keep up with 20 year old reflexes.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

... I'm realistic that a guy in his 50's isn't going to keep up with 20 year old reflexes.

 

Ahem.  You might want to avoid over-generalization.

[StubbornPuppet]

What's KILLING me is that everyone else that I can find matches with is getting better and I'm not.  I used to hold my own and hover in the top 50% of every match - even came in first place from time to time - now I am always in the bottom 25% of scores.  It's still fun and I'm realistic that a guy in his 50's isn't going to keep up with 20 year old reflexes.

Ahem.  You might want to avoid over-generalization.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Perhaps.  I mean, it's a fact that our reflexes and precision begin to fade starting in our 30's and take a nosedive between 45-50 and just keep sliding.  But, it is, as you elude, still possible for the older crowd to compete - because we have a greater sense of strategy, tactic, experience and learning from mistakes.  It still puts a smile on my face when I sometimes decide to go all dumb-fire on my Rocketeer and take out some "legendary" player in a close-range skirmish - they never see it coming that a Rocky can move like that and manage to aim all those Hellfires without locking on.