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[DemitronPrime]

another example. just recoloring standart skin with colors and elements which i'm talking above

born to fly shouldn't walking...


isn't it a really "mercenary mech" which just colored maybe as a personal camo of some mercenary band, with some decals?

i feel, that it is 90% ascention design style, even if my work pretty cheapy, but i trying to do it fast, cuz don't have a much time.

 

 

Guys, i need you feedback.
did you will be really unhappy, if you win prize in hawken and got this camo like "free prize"?
yes, it is free (but you cant buy it from magazine), and it is just repainted elite skin which i draw in photoshop by using 3 instruments, brush, opasity and smooth lighting.

but I'll be damned if it is worse than the "Lighting-shield camouflage" from Hyginos PS4 screenshoot.

actually, professional designer (huh, even school-boy mod maker can do this), can easily made a hundreds camos like this. and better than this, i just do this for example and spent 30 minutes.


 

 

DUde... Nepa i knew you were good but WOW

 

rld just hire nepa already k

 

 

I need those 2 skins, that red pred and that cockateer...

 

Amazing... you just made reloaded look like they are fresh out of grade school

Edited by DemitronPrime, 06 October 2016 - 12:22 PM.

[dorobo]

[DallasCreeper]

 

Another screenshot from Hocisern shows that the "shark" skin doesn't even have shark teeth on it, or even sharks. It is literally just blue.

... I may not be a camel, but that straw just snapped my spine like a toothpick. That is very disappointing. Where is the effort in that? There are already a whole bunch of blue skins.

[DeeRax]

... I may not be a camel, but that straw just snapped my spine like a toothpick. That is very disappointing. Where is the effort in that? There are already a whole bunch of blue skins.

Yeah, but that one is a superspecial "shark blue."
And it can be all yours, now, for the special low-low price of 360MC!
ONLY ON HOWKEN!
 

Edited by DeeRax, 06 October 2016 - 01:12 PM.

[Kindos7]

FROZEN MECHS ARE HERE

THE I.C.E. BEAM IS REAL

[DeeRax]

but maybe it visible not on all mechs bodies?

If that is the case, then that's some pretty poor design on RLD's part.

On the other hand...

Want.

Edited by DeeRax, 06 October 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[Flifang]

This is all good to hear. No opinion on unlocking all weapon restrictions.

 

I do however think it's awesome you guys are finally rolling out some cool new customization stuff. I'm sure a number of people will really enjoy them. Not everyone though. But you know that's to be expected when aiming to bring lots of visual customization to your players, you can't make everyone happy. I'm sure there are plenty of skins, special chassi's, repair drones and thrusters that some players either don't care for, or just plain hate visually but that's OKAY. You don't have to buy them, and they don't directly impact your quality of play in any sigificant fasion performance wise. I'm pretty confident in the assumption that reloaded didn't prioritize these camos over anything else they don't already have up in their patch queue, or anything else that could be considered significantly more important in getting the game to where they want it.

 

Very appreciative of the dedication to the game so far reloaded.

[CZeroFive]

This is all good to hear. No opinion on unlocking all weapon restrictions.

 

I do however think it's awesome you guys are finally rolling out some cool new customization stuff. I'm sure a number of people will really enjoy them. Not everyone though. But you know that's to be expected when aiming to bring lots of visual customization to your players, you can't make everyone happy. I'm sure there are plenty of skins, special chassi's, repair drones and thrusters that some players either don't care for, or just plain hate visually but that's OKAY. You don't have to buy them, and they don't directly impact your quality of play in any sigificant fasion performance wise. I'm pretty confident in the assumption that reloaded didn't prioritize these camos over anything else they don't already have up in their patch queue, or anything else that could be considered significantly more important in getting the game to where they want it.

 

Very appreciative of the dedication to the game so far reloaded.

 

We have different subsets of people working on different things. The people working on performance did not primarily do skins, and vice versa.

 

Now that we can add skins and other cosmetics relatively easily, these should all be very easy to create and integrate with minimal disruption to other types of development.

[DemitronPrime]

We have different subsets of people working on different things. The people working on performance did not primarily do skins, and vice versa.

 

Now that we can add skins and other cosmetics relatively easily, these should all be very easy to create and integrate with minimal disruption to other types of development.

 

this sounds promising...

 

but im curious, why are you guys making it hard on yourselveS? you have about 5 decent skin designers in the community that could help, nepa, me, badtings ETC ETC

 

maybe you could release a few base meshs and files to the community and hold a skin design contest, winners get the skin for free and obvious dubs for making them...

[nepacaka]

last on tuday :C

[DemitronPrime]

last on tuday :C

Nepa, can you message me about the models your paining onto please...

[nepacaka]

Now that we can add skins and other cosmetics relatively easily, these should all be very easy to create and integrate with minimal disruption to other types of development.

But it doesn't mean that if you can add some thing easily, you should do it. i'm personally OK with "shark" or "tentacle" camo, it just blue color camo. but this transparent thing is literally nonsense. it is totally wasted full visual design, if someone wear this on mech. and several of this thing probably, is also cause bad performance for some player. it is also important.

Flifang say:
 

You don't have to buy them, and they don't directly impact your quality of play

 

But he is 100% wrong. because it directly related with my quality of play. Did you realise that it is like added. say, Big Red Dragon in Mechwarrior game. where everyone play on mechs with lasers, and one player look like Red Dragon, walking around and shoot lasers from eyes. Did devs team really think it is normal?

it is just... i don't know... primitive designs rules. it is not related with hawken, not related with mechs. you just put transparent texture in game Because You ?an. 

Spoiler

The reasons to make Kompot.
1) Why not?

 

I mean, Hawken gives developers a large field for maneuver in design, you can use different drawing styles, bright mercenaries camo or regular Prosk/Sentium units, dark grim camo, etc. Many of them.
 

But of all the many variants which you can bring to life, you literally choose the most stupid variant which possible. I'm sorry, but it looks that way. And i'm strongly doubt that your team have a designer. 
Because if i was a designer, and came to my boss with this when deadline is end, my director just fired me for potboiler work like this. 

Edited by nepacaka, 06 October 2016 - 02:42 PM.

[Flifang]

But it doesn't mean that if you can add some thing easily, you should do it. i'm personally OK with "shark" or "tentacle" camo, it just blue color camo. but this transparent thing is literally nonsense. it is totally wasted full visual design, if someone wear this on mech. and several of this thing probably, is also cause bad performance for some player. it is also important.

Flifang say:
 

But he is 100% wrong. because it directly related with my quality of play. Did you realise that it is like added. say, Big Red Dragon in Mechwarrior game. where everyone play on mechs with lasers, and one player look like Red Dragon, walking around and shoot lasers from eyes. Did devs team really think it is normal?

it is just... i don't know... primitive designs rules. it is not related with hawken, not related with mechs. you just put transparent texture in game Because You can. 

Spoiler

The reasons to make Kompot.
1) Why not?

Until the day comes that I can play my mech in 3rd person all the time, I'm holding fast to the oppinion that cosmetics neither improve, nor hamper one's quality of play. Unless of course your entire team is full energy camo(lag the opposition) or unless you use the science behind how colors change a person's ability or mood when subjected to those colors to your advantage.

[nepacaka]

Until the day comes that I can play my mech in 3rd person all the time, I'm holding fast to the oppinion that cosmetics neither improve, nor hamper one's quality of play. Unless of course your entire team is full energy camo(lag the opposition) or unless you use the science behind how colors change a person's ability or mood when subjected to those colors to your advantage.

Ok. but what does this have to the general hawken mech design, the game atmosphere, and the visual style?

Edited by nepacaka, 06 October 2016 - 02:50 PM.

[Flifang]

We have different subsets of people working on different things. The people working on performance did not primarily do skins, and vice versa.

 

Now that we can add skins and other cosmetics relatively easily, these should all be very easy to create and integrate with minimal disruption to other types of development.

As gaming companies often do, yes.

[WillyW]

My vote definitely goes for the random weapon/mech combo servers. 

I have a suggestion for a tweak to a game mode similarly based off Missile Assault, which I created a thread about a while ago. Basically, it is a TDM game with a kill-cap, but each silo gives a different benefit to everyone on your team within the radius of the control point while it is captured. One gives increased speed (walk + dodge). One gives increased weapon damage. And one gives increased repair rate. 

 

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Edit: After reading through the posts in this thread... I think its hilarious how badly the community is ripping on RLD about their new 'content'. I have to say I agree, and its really not surprising. As it seems, their performance updates are fairly reliable and appreciated overall. But their content updates are consistently lazy and unoriginal. I think what bothers me the most about the most recent skins are that they do not hold true to the HAWKEN visual concepts at all, not to mention the amateur skill involved.
 

Edited by WillyW, 06 October 2016 - 06:13 PM.

[WmMoneyFrmMissouri]

I dont know.... Maybe I'm in the minority thinking a lightning skinned raider to be a good thing. It clearly adds to the raider's inherent RAIDEROSITY. Plus, it's says to your intimidated opponent yeah I know I stick out like a sore thumb and that's because THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. I think both of these qualities add to the raider's mystique.

[DeeRax]

I dont know.... Maybe I'm in the minority thinking a lightning skinned raider to be a good thing. It clearly adds to the raider's inherent RAIDEROSITY. Plus, it's says to your intimidated opponent yeah I know I stick out like a sore thumb and that's because THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. I think both of these qualities add to the raider's mystique.

In that case I would prefer  some cool paintjob with some stylized lightning decals (Think like the bolts in our TDM logos), not some bright amorphous blob cloud thing that completely disregards HAWKEN's general design consistency & visual style.

[MomOw]

OK. so let's spam cool paintjob until they add some cool skins in the game

 

 

[DeeRax]

Spoiler

 

It ain't hard. Just be a little creative.
(But maybe RLD doesn't have any actual artists yet?)

Edited by DeeRax, 06 October 2016 - 09:48 PM.

[nepacaka]

only part of body, but you got my idea

Edited by nepacaka, 07 October 2016 - 12:40 AM.

[Siamenis]

While I don't like that Energy skin, I don't think it necessarily does not fit with Hawken's visual style. Similar "glow" can be seen when using repair drone rd-orbit, which emit blue pulses when repairing. Cloaking mechs also have similar streaks of glow when cloaking.

That said, I still think it's a cheap job, especially when some forum members present their rather stunning artwork. Why not take some inspiration (at least) from these, RLD?

[Shade__]

Spoiler

I mean if we're doing this now i'm totally in, i mean i think we all just want some more war painted type of cosmetics. Oh right one more thing love the new NON LIGHTNING stuff.

Cheers -Shade__

[Shade__]

While I don't like that Energy skin, I don't think it necessarily does not fit with Hawken's visual style. Similar "glow" can be seen when using repair drone rd-orbit, which emit blue pulses when repairing. Cloaking mechs also have similar streaks of glow when cloaking.

That said, I still think it's a cheap job, especially when some forum members present their rather stunning artwork. Why not take some inspiration (at least) from these, RLD?

or just hire nepa... he's so damn good...

[MomOw]

I want this camo for X-mas 

 

Spoiler

[nepacaka]

While I don't like that Energy skin, I don't think it necessarily does not fit with Hawken's visual style. Similar "glow" can be seen when using repair drone rd-orbit, which emit blue pulses when repairing. Cloaking mechs also have similar streaks of glow when cloaking.

If it will be a metal mech with glowing effect, ok. But this is just transparent texture. It is not the same.

[DemitronPrime]

If it will be a metal mech with glowing effect, ok. But this is just transparent texture. It is not the same.

 it reminds me of the old quad damage effect from quake, if you took the player model out and left the effect behind...

 

I 100% think it looks tacky and incomplete...

[StubbornPuppet]

Seeing other players running around in silly, out-of-step, extremely eye-catching skins, like the new "lightning" one... actually does change my enjoyment of the game.

 

Hawken has a particular environment, lore, look and mood that is intended to transport the player into the game.  It feels more real because it looks more real.  When you introduce a completely random bit of extreme silliness from left field and slap it right onto the #1 most prevalent and important aspect of the game... it takes players out of the moment - breaks the proverbial "fourth wall".

[Sigil_]

Hypothetically, if someone were to pull the models and textures out of the game and post them here, what formats would you want them in?

 

Hypothetically of course...

[nepacaka]

Hypothetically, if someone were to pull the models and textures out of the game and post them here, what formats would you want them in?

 

Hypothetically of course...

it is also required "3D editor" (and some skill with this), or 3D-viewer (it is mean, u need hawken models or bodyparts. if you want draw good texture, u should see it in real time on mech. because if you draw "circle" it will not look like "circle" on a real model, cause model have "forms". 
yep, you still can just recoloring texture, if you don't have 3D editor, but if you want added some new detail (face,pin up art, or some elements, like i added for reaper on screen) it can cause some problems.

so, you need 3D files, textures, and program which can open it.

Edited by nepacaka, 07 October 2016 - 07:35 AM.

[Nept]

The problem with the energy skin is that you can't see the underlying chassis geometry.  It just looks like a big blue-white blob.  A skin should enhance a mech's look, not utterly override it.

 

Look, nepa's not approaching this topic with much tact, but his mock-up skins are undeniably better.  Maybe pay attention?

[nepacaka]

full version "Dao Lord" (i just return back from my business and end it)


without "overlap" layers properties

Spoiler

and face picture (i'm not drawing this, just steal from internet for example. it is literally, first image from google by question "vector art" xD)

Edited by nepacaka, 07 October 2016 - 09:48 AM.

[PsychedelicGrass]

Reloaded reallllly should find a way to allow community members to get custom skins in game


It's free content for the devs with minimal effort on their part, for that reason alone it should happen.


Also some of the things nepa has posted are much better than any skin reloaded has released so far. Another reason why it should happen.


Free, higher quality content that fits with the style of the game. Literally no reason it shouldn't happen. Maybe even charge some mc for the skins and give the creator a cut.

[DerMax]

Maybe even charge some mc for the skins and give the creator a cut.

Sooo... like they do in CS:GO?

[DemitronPrime]

Hypothetically, if someone were to pull the models and textures out of the game and post them here, what formats would you want them in?

 

Hypothetically of course...

 

The models and textures would be great in obj and png... lol Hypothetically lol

 

I mean substance painter, zbrush, mudbox, 3dmax all accept obj, and png is prob the best quality for the texture maps... lol just saying...

 

 

 

Reloaded reallllly should find a way to allow community members to get custom skins in game


It's free content for the devs with minimal effort on their part, for that reason alone it should happen.


Also some of the things nepa has posted are much better than any skin reloaded has released so far. Another reason why it should happen.


Free, higher quality content that fits with the style of the game. Literally no reason it shouldn't happen. Maybe even charge some mc for the skins and give the creator a cut.

 

 

Warframe also has a very successful system for this, including Tennogen program...

 

all workshop creations are open, then they basically show them to players and they vote for yes or no, accepted designs are added to the game,

 

it is defiantly a feasible idea that would probibly take some work of reloaded plate and allow them to focus more on giving the pc players some content lol

Edited by DemitronPrime, 07 October 2016 - 11:31 AM.

[nepacaka]

Brawler. used color palette from cyberpunk images which i posted before.
not super good quality, but image is actually bad for working with :C

[Pleasure_Mortar]

 

But it doesn't mean that if you can add some thing easily, you should do it. i'm personally OK with "shark" or "tentacle" camo, it just blue color camo. but this transparent thing is literally nonsense. it is totally wasted full visual design, if someone wear this on mech. and several of this thing probably, is also cause bad performance for some player. it is also important.

Flifang say:
 

But he is 100% wrong. because it directly related with my quality of play. Did you realise that it is like added. say, Big Red Dragon in Mechwarrior game. where everyone play on mechs with lasers, and one player look like Red Dragon, walking around and shoot lasers from eyes. Did devs team really think it is normal?

it is just... i don't know... primitive designs rules. it is not related with hawken, not related with mechs. you just put transparent texture in game Because You ?an. 

Spoiler

The reasons to make Kompot.
1) Why not?

 

I mean, Hawken gives developers a large field for maneuver in design, you can use different drawing styles, bright mercenaries camo or regular Prosk/Sentium units, dark grim camo, etc. Many of them.
 

But of all the many variants which you can bring to life, you literally choose the most stupid variant which possible. I'm sorry, but it looks that way. And i'm strongly doubt that your team have a designer. 
Because if i was a designer, and came to my boss with this when deadline is end, my director just fired me for potboiler work like this. 

 

 

 

only part of body, but you got my idea

It kinda paints a sad picture for hawkens future, when people in the community have a way better grasp of design than the actual designers.

Edited by Pleasure_Mortar, 07 October 2016 - 12:37 PM.

[nepacaka]

i'm not mad guys.
i know some of you love your idiotic "heart" camo. so i made alternative for you. it is the same stupid, and cute.
just made a variant for people who love mini-game "make your raider look as ugly as it possible"

What ladies may be cutest, than the lady in a dress with polka dots?

Edited by nepacaka, 07 October 2016 - 01:52 PM.

[Nept]

Kill it with fire.

[nepacaka]

oh, i knew it would work!

Edited by nepacaka, 07 October 2016 - 01:52 PM.