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[Kindos7]

People had been asking for more info about the mechs on the new Hawken. Looks like Reloaded made a video, and they did not even bother posting it on the official forums.
Anyways, here it is:

Here you can see the new progression tree and the new mechs.
A few things worth noting:

• Incinerator is still around. [0:48]
• Old G2 Raider is now called Marauder (and has its own G2 version). [0:48]
• What looks like G2 Infil has close to 600HP. It's still an A class (G2 mechs totally not P2W). [1:25]
• Rocky with +900HP. [1:27]
• Looks like footage comes from a PC build? Look at the key to activate the special ability. [1:25]

 

I may have not noticed everything. If you find something else interesting, post it.

 

Credit goes to Kauyon for posting the vid on #hawkenscrim

Edited by Anxiko, 27 June 2016 - 06:13 AM.

[Silverfire]

Hawkenscrim is a reliable source of information.

Thus sayeth its overlord.

Edited by Silverfire, 27 June 2016 - 07:54 AM.

[Hyginos]

• That reaper play at 1:42 all of the first person game play footage made me want to vomit.
• MF scout with 270 HP at 0:16. uh....
• Bruiser with well over 600 hp at 0:21. uh...
• Gren icon has no turret wings, looks like the current one at 0:50
• New mechs don't seem to have g2 variants yet.
• SS with hawkins at 0:55, though game guide says slug.

That rocky footage looks like it might be from Pre-steam, as it has 730 hp at 2:00. I wonder if some Ascension era footage got mixed in. Maybe they don't post it here because they know we'll call them on their fuzzy bunny.

 

EDIT:

 

There is at least some ascension era promotional footage in there.

Edited by Hyginos, 27 June 2016 - 08:02 AM.

[PoopSlinger]

I've been trying not to get my undies in a bunch and whine like a little fuzzy bunny (Like most of the forum goers.), but why DID YOU NOT RENAME IT THE BATTLETURKEY!>!>!>!!

 

Like come the fuzzy bunny on, Its a turkey and its ability is even called GOBBLETIME.  Hell it was supposed to be a G2 mech because the 2 gs stand for gobble gobble.

 

There are things you could do to reinvent howken for the better, this isn't one of them.

 

 

Its the fukkin BattleTurkey.

 

Dummys

[Silverfire]

To be fair, I think Marauder is a decent name, better than G2 Raider.

[Onstrava]

I love the G2R love but you guys are missing the point of the vid. There are many NEW chassis art updates on the G2 versions that are not in the game currently if you look closely. Take another look at the vid starting at 0:47 and pause. Besides that there is a interesting mech you probably missed your first time looking at the vid in the upper right top part of the screen. The mech is called Gedas, yes that's a C type with a Pred Breacher and a Tow missile. Oh and the Incinerator is there again. BTW if you look at the rocketeer, the lock on is super quick now. (2:00vid) So what's the difference between the reg and G2 versions besides chassis art change?

Edited by Onstrava, 27 June 2016 - 07:29 AM.

[CrimsonKaim]

600 HP Infil? No Alpha strikes? Q_Q

[SparkyJJC]

That guy is stuttering a lot.

He sounds very nervous.

Is RLD holding him at gunpoint or something?

[hellc9943]

Hawkenscrim is a reliable source of information.

Thus sayeth its overlord.

The "overlord" of #hawkenscrim is a loud, powertripping kid.

 

- #hawkenscrim, reliable source

[Amidatelion]

Well looks like the TTK is up across the board. I doubt in the long run that will make a difference to the game, but the implications of slowing the game pace down makes me uneasy. 

 

 

The "overlord" of #hawkenscrim is a loud, powertripping kid.

 

- #hawkenscrim, reliable source

 

Hey at least he's better than that Nazi from before.

[Hyginos]

I doubt in the long run that will make a difference to the game.

Ascension was a great patch...

 

...for demonstrating why higher TTKs are bad.

 

I really hope the TTKs don't go up much, especially if they want this game to be accessible and lucrative.

[JeffMagnum]

yes that's a C type with a Pred Breacher and a Tow missile

 

whaaat

 

I've gotten Breacher Brawler a few times before with the weapon glitch and it's one of the most OP combinations out of any theoretical mech+primary+secondary. It has ridiculous staying power against most most everything except SS and Hawkins Brawler out to ~110 m, stupid close range burst of 369 if you do the charged+immediate uncharged Breacher combo (for comparison, EOC Raider has 300 and G2R has 288), the ability to shoot through shields for an instant 450 armor against players without EMPs along with superior shieldplay compared to Pred, and a massive armor pool. Also, Gedes will be even more broken if the Rocketeer ability symbol is just a placeholder for one that's actually useful in a broad range of situations unlike Brawler's.

 

I'm really curious about how this will be balanced while keeping Pred viable, but my guess is that it won't be since I doubt their playtesters know how to use Breacher to its full potential especially in the relatively new pairing with TOW. Like the other mechs I've seen so far are dumb and look underpowered which means they won't significantly impact how the overall game plays, but Gedes has the potential to dominate in the current meta especially in pubs where EMPs aren't ubiquitous like they are in comp.

[CraftyDus]

 

I'm really curious about how this will be balanced while keeping Pred viable, but my guess is that it won't be since I doubt their playtesters know how to use Breacher to its full potential especially in the relatively new pairing with TOW.

 

 

Do our QA guys qualify as 'developers'? I bet they would beat most high MMR PC players on console, those guys are scary good at Hawken.

[n3onfx]

 

C type with a Pred Breacher and a Tow missile

 

RIP everything else.

[MomOw]

that's a C type with a Pred Breacher and a Tow missile. 

 

 

RIP everything else.

 

I don't agree, it seems pretty balanced with the dual seeker A-class.

Edited by (KDR) MomOw, 27 June 2016 - 08:40 AM.

[DeeRax]

It's what we've always wanted tho.

Spoiler

[DallasCreeper]

Interesting.

My 2 cents.

[Nept]

 

 

Scary good at Hawken!

[TheButtSatisfier]

The mech is called Gedas, yes that's a C type with a Pred Breacher and a Tow missile.

 

Oh jeez rofl

[DeeRax]

I think at this point it has become clear that RLD actually was paying attention to the forums when hashing out this new Howken, the entire time; They specifically did the opposite of whatever the community consensus was.

Edited by (TDM) DeeRax, 27 June 2016 - 09:11 AM.

[talon70]

I was worried as it seemed someone dumped all the hawken pieces on the table and they were stuck together anywhere and everywhere like mr potatoe head pieces to get 30 mechs. I am glad the new QA guys on console are better than the high mmr pc players. We can be sure the new mechs are going to be in a well balanced game. The uneasy feeling my gut is gone now. phew

[DeeRax]

"QA guys" = developer's kids

[Bergwein]

G2-Infil has Assault Rifle? Well, I'm not sure.

Although with its 600 HP it might finally be able to take down those Rocketeers on Bunker.

Although they now have 900 HP, duh.

[Neraste]

 

That rocky footage looks like it might be from Pre-steam, as it has 730 hp at 2:00. I wonder if some Ascension era footage got mixed in. Maybe they don't post it here because they know we'll call them on their fuzzy bunny.

 

EDIT:

 

There is at least some ascension era promotional footage in there.

 

 

For having made several AMVs using Hawken official videos during the Great Silence 1, I can say a lot of footages of this one have been taken from Adhesive previous work.

Edited by Neraste, 27 June 2016 - 09:45 AM.

[Amidatelion]

Although with its 600 HP it might finally be able to take down those Rocketeers on Bunker.

 

Not sure if serious.

[Bergwein]

Not sure if serious.

 

Like, an entire team of them. Alone. Because 600 HP.

[Merl61]

We want a full changelog.

[nepacaka]

to be honest, i'm scary.

we need Xb stream. i see many strange things in vifeo and progress-tree and now mostly don't want to see some of THIS changes on PC

[talon70]

It seems this video is almost hidden. Where is the actual marketing and why is there no steam summer sale presence at all? 

 

edit: There is no lore that I heard. Are there new movies or a campaign mode in the console versions that will have lore explained? Where is the New Crion representation

Edited by talon70, 27 June 2016 - 11:08 AM.

[nepacaka]

whaaat

 

I've gotten Breacher Brawler a few times before with the weapon glitch and it's one of the most OP combinations out of any theoretical mech+primary+secondary. It has ridiculous staying power against most most everything except SS and Hawkins Brawler out to ~110 m, stupid close range burst of 369 if you do the charged+immediate uncharged Breacher combo (for comparison, EOC Raider has 300 and G2R has 288), the ability to shoot through shields for an instant 450 armor against players without EMPs along with superior shieldplay compared to Pred, and a massive armor pool. Also, Gedes will be even more broken if the Rocketeer ability symbol is just a placeholder for one that's actually useful in a broad range of situations unlike Brawler's.

 

I'm really curious about how this will be balanced while keeping Pred viable, but my guess is that it won't be since I doubt their playtesters know how to use Breacher to its full potential especially in the relatively new pairing with TOW. Like the other mechs I've seen so far are dumb and look underpowered which means they won't significantly impact how the overall game plays, but Gedes has the potential to dominate in the current meta especially in pubs where EMPs aren't ubiquitous like they are in comp.

IT can have 600-630 HP vs 800 HP brawler, for example. who know?


X-Ployt, tell us the truth! you're a one of the QA testers under NDA? xD

Edited by nepacaka, 27 June 2016 - 11:13 AM.

[Miscellaneous]

We want a full changelog.

 

We want a full list of all their in-house playtesters, their MMRs, favourite mechs, favourite weapon combos, favourite item/internal setup, and we want to see gameplay of them fighting each other or community members. 

 

We want an explanation as to what advantages all these G2 mechs will provide over their G1 counterparts.

 

We want the devs to show us some love now that we're out of the "console release mystery" woods.

 

We want to be able to help with the direction the game is going.

 

We want to give advice so this game doesn't go down the drain.

 

We want the devs to appreciate the vast wealth of knowledge they have here, at their fingertips, before they make too many bad decisions and scare us off.

 

We're people, reloaded. Willing ones, at that. 

 

We've been knocking at the door since you picked up development.

 

Let us in.

[-Tj-]

• What looks like G2 Infil has close to 600HP. It's still an A class (G2 mechs totally not P2W). [1:25]

 

Huh.

 

 

 

 

Edit:

G2 Infil with Assault Rifle... with Assault Rifle... with Assault Rifle....

 

 

welp. So much for the whole "assassination" thing. Reloaded: if you were going with the whole "600HP" thing, why not just slap that Heat Cannon on the G2 and call it a day? Why force new players to learn one of the hardest-to-hit-with weapons in the game from the get go, and then let them get the G2 with one of the easiest-to-hit-with weapons in the game? Learning my way up to the EOC from the HC was one of the most fun things I've done in Hawken, and you've kinda taken that away with this new system. Eh.

 

I was originally on the fence about the whole grandfathering of mechs thing, but if that's what the new Infils are becoming, I'll be happy to keep my hard-earned grandpa and grandma Infiltrators.

Edited by -Tj-, 27 June 2016 - 11:44 AM.

[DeeRax]

Well, here's hoping for a G2 Marauder w/EOC-R.
That would at least superficially soothe my HowkenHeartache.

[SandSpider2]

Just a thought, since all the new mechs only have two weapons now, how do we know that they haven't rebalanced each weapon for each mech? The assault rifle on one mech might have different stats than one on another mech. The same might go for all the weapons. 

 

We don't know yet.

Edited by SandSpider2, 27 June 2016 - 11:57 AM.

[hellc9943]

 Why force new players to learn one of the hardest-to-hit-with weapons in the game from the get go, and then let them get the G2 with one of the easiest-to-hit-with weapons in the game? 

To encourage players to straight up pay for the better/easier option.

[teeth_03]

Im all for higher TTK, I was never a big fan of them lowering it.

[eth0]

No, Neif and Gedes aren't good names for a mech. Those are lore references but convey nothing about the mech to the player. Or would following the name convention give us something like "Noobeteer" and "Sneezer"?

 

Call me a nit-picky but RLD doesn't even need a programmer for this, just an original idea (like what happened with the G2-Raider Marauder).

[Browno]

G1 brawler had sa hawkins and g2 version flak :)

[nepacaka]

No, Neif and Gedes aren't good names for a mech

 

Quick suggestion:
Nief - ?avalier
Gedes - Ruiner
Charge - Twerp

Edited by nepacaka, 27 June 2016 - 12:38 PM.

[CounterlogicMan]

 

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The vast majority of this video, except the part showing the new mech tree, is footage from older versions of Hawken.

 

whaaat

 

 

I am guessing that they have changed the numbers on some mechs/weapons, current balance numbers are likely irrelevant. I hope so at least. Last thing we need is to have ClusterBM running around in a breacher/tow mech. Last time he weapon glitched a berzerker to have the breacher....that is a beating i'd like to forget. Definitely a super powerful combo.

 

 

 

 

Huh.

 

 

 

It seems this video is almost hidden. Where is the actual marketing and why is there no steam summer sale presence at all? 

 

edit: There is no lore that I heard. Are there new movies or a campaign mode in the console versions that will have lore explained? Where is the New Crion representation

 

On the front page of the Playstation Blog. Hawken has been tweeted about by 505 games and Playstation (over 1k likes and 300 retweets) official twitter accounts. The marketing is focused where their chips are at the moment, that is the consoles. 

 

 

July 8th Hawken drops on PS4. I'll be streaming it from my PS4. Excited to see how Hawken has changed. No point in crying about it since we all knew the game would either change or die, right?

Edited by CounterlogicMan, 27 June 2016 - 12:44 PM.